**** Religion? - Page 22

**DaCougarMech** · 10-27-2006, 11:42 PM

but does a belief in anything necessarily imply that you belong to a religion?
ie: nothing?

**Z3R0** · 10-27-2006, 11:45 PM

No, but a belief is an unproven theory. Religions are ussualy based on such theories. We won't know which ones are right until substantial proof is uncovered.

**DaCougarMech** · 10-28-2006, 12:17 AM

if beliefs are the bases of religion, then why is atheism necessarily a religion?

**Z3R0** · 10-28-2006, 12:18 AM

Because they hold a belief that deities do not exsist.

**DaCougarMech** · 10-28-2006, 12:26 AM

but isnt the usual requirement for a religion some sort of deity? i have heard some people claim that atheism is a religion because atheists consider themselves to be god, but it sounds like an attempt to win through obscure technicalities rather than a legitimate arguement. for one, i would consider myself an atheist but it has never occured to me that i may be god

**Z3R0** · 10-28-2006, 12:34 AM

I am not some people. I have never claimed that. Some people do worship money or themselves. I guess they can see that as a diety.

**DaCougarMech** · 10-28-2006, 12:42 AM

some? so there are people who do not hold any religious beliefs

**Z3R0** · 10-28-2006, 12:46 AM

Where is this going? Not all beliefs are religious. I said that religions are based and built upon beliefs.

**DaCougarMech** · 10-28-2006, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerokool

When people always say "I have no religion, I'm not like you." I have said it before and I will say it again, Athieism is a religion, and choosing to believe in nothing is believing in something, nothing.

just responding to this

**Z3R0** · 10-28-2006, 01:07 AM

I posted that because it is extremly contradicting when people say that.

**DaCougarMech** · 10-29-2006, 12:53 AM

did you just agree with me then?

**Z3R0** · 10-29-2006, 05:03 PM

To be honost, I don't know. I posted that because it doesn't make sense for someone to say they believe in nothing, when nothing is something. So, basicly......I think you agreed with me. Or did you? **** I'm confussed.

**DaCougarMech** · 10-29-2006, 08:36 PM

well, i said that "believing in nothing is still believing in something" is bullshit then then you said that you posted that statement because it was contradicting. so i guess you ended up agreeing with me on post #430
i think we need some definition here. it's not so much that some people believe in an absolute absence of deities. they just could care less and hold no beliefs, which when i hrased it. might have sounded like they had a strong belief in a lack of deities
that's the difference. most people who claim to be atheists dont hold any beliefs about religion. thus you can't really say that they hold beliefs like a christian or muslim would. however, i would agree that people with strong beliefs in a lack of a god could possibly be considered somewhat similar to christians or muslims.
anyway, i think we were both somewhat right cause we were arguing about different things

**Z3R0** · 10-29-2006, 10:09 PM

Lol, lets just call it defined then. We're both right. It was fun though, we should both be right and argue about something again sometime. Lol, you free Tuesday?

**10 man** · 11-07-2006, 05:05 AM

i love faith. its the ultimate cop out. nothing beats arguing a point like "well you just need to have faith". now im going to sit on my ass, quit my job, and wait for rapture.

pointless ramble # 122323

**Z3R0** · 11-07-2006, 12:15 PM

Or, you could go to a highway with a bible and shout angerly at people.

sithis · 12-22-2006, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siris

well if u read the bible christinity was not made by ppl for comfort... it says god laid down rules that u must follow if u wish to get into heaven we still retain freedom and free will but there are certain rules and know from right and wrong. i understand however religion is too blown up and there are many wrongs in it....in fact many of gods rules have been broken over righteous zeal.

but ifyou believe in god and jesus i suggest forgoing religion untill after u have read the bible.

in fact if you have read the bible and understand it u can see its says catholism is not a religion of god but a seat of power for satan. now , of course, i suspect hardly any1 to believe me but just read the bible for urself. i canot in full explain it but it is true and i believe it. i should point out however i belong to now religion, but if i did join a religion id probly be a protesant (or w/e).

and for bee that believe that some1 just sat down and wrote the bible and that its fake...understand that, that would be inpossible because the bible was written in the course of uhundreds of years

How do you know religion was not made by the government to control the populus and get the rulers way, ie. Catholisism in which the midle ages the popes would excomunicate you (deny you salvation) if you bought something they didnt like or didnt folow the religion, also if Christianity is the truth, how come the main idea of the afterlife that they talk about is not mentioned once in the text, its was originated by a priest whose daughter supposedly had a vision

**Jordanv78** · 12-22-2006, 08:09 PM

I am agnostic. I don't really feel the need for religion myself. The truth is in my opinion Religion was used to group the masses who were scared of all the unknowns that the world had to offer. I think that it is way too outdated. On top of that religion is so centered around church these days that if you don't go to church, you aren't viewed as religious, which contradicts everything that most religions are about.
I do not fault others who are religious, I just don't really care for the whole thing myself.

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10-27-2006, 11:45 PM	#422 (permalink)
Z3R0 Status: Viva La Revolucion! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In your closet. Posts: 2,367 Credits: 91 Spent time on board: :0:0 Hours Rep Power: 7	No, but a belief is an unproven theory. Religions are ussualy based on such theories. We won't know which ones are right until substantial proof is uncovered. __________________ PremiumRenders.com ~ For All Your Render Needs

10-28-2006, 12:18 AM	#424 (permalink)
Z3R0 Status: Viva La Revolucion! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In your closet. Posts: 2,367 Credits: 91 Spent time on board: :0:0 Hours Rep Power: 7	Because they hold a belief that deities do not exsist. __________________ PremiumRenders.com ~ For All Your Render Needs

10-28-2006, 12:34 AM	#426 (permalink)
Z3R0 Status: Viva La Revolucion! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In your closet. Posts: 2,367 Credits: 91 Spent time on board: :0:0 Hours Rep Power: 7	I am not some people. I have never claimed that. Some people do worship money or themselves. I guess they can see that as a diety. __________________ PremiumRenders.com ~ For All Your Render Needs

10-28-2006, 12:46 AM	#428 (permalink)
Z3R0 Status: Viva La Revolucion! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In your closet. Posts: 2,367 Credits: 91 Spent time on board: :0:0 Hours Rep Power: 7	Where is this going? Not all beliefs are religious. I said that religions are based and built upon beliefs. __________________ PremiumRenders.com ~ For All Your Render Needs

10-27-2006, 11:42 PM	#421 (permalink)
DaCougarMech Status: I'm Delicious! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: watching you through a hole in your ceiling Posts: 2,651 Credits: 101 Spent time on board: 2:59:38 Hours Rep Power: 9	but does a belief in anything necessarily imply that you belong to a religion? ie: nothing?

10-28-2006, 12:17 AM	#423 (permalink)
DaCougarMech Status: I'm Delicious! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: watching you through a hole in your ceiling Posts: 2,651 Credits: 101 Spent time on board: 2:59:38 Hours Rep Power: 9	if beliefs are the bases of religion, then why is atheism necessarily a religion?

10-28-2006, 12:26 AM	#425 (permalink)
DaCougarMech Status: I'm Delicious! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: watching you through a hole in your ceiling Posts: 2,651 Credits: 101 Spent time on board: 2:59:38 Hours Rep Power: 9	but isnt the usual requirement for a religion some sort of deity? i have heard some people claim that atheism is a religion because atheists consider themselves to be god, but it sounds like an attempt to win through obscure technicalities rather than a legitimate arguement. for one, i would consider myself an atheist but it has never occured to me that i may be god

10-28-2006, 12:42 AM	#427 (permalink)
DaCougarMech Status: I'm Delicious! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: watching you through a hole in your ceiling Posts: 2,651 Credits: 101 Spent time on board: 2:59:38 Hours Rep Power: 9	some? so there are people who do not hold any religious beliefs

10-28-2006, 01:07 AM	#430 (permalink)
Z3R0 Status: Viva La Revolucion! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In your closet. Posts: 2,367 Credits: 91 Spent time on board: :0:0 Hours Rep Power: 7	I posted that because it is extremly contradicting when people say that. __________________ PremiumRenders.com ~ For All Your Render Needs

10-29-2006, 12:53 AM	#431 (permalink)
DaCougarMech Status: I'm Delicious! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: watching you through a hole in your ceiling Posts: 2,651 Credits: 101 Spent time on board: 2:59:38 Hours Rep Power: 9	did you just agree with me then?

10-29-2006, 05:03 PM	#432 (permalink)
Z3R0 Status: Viva La Revolucion! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In your closet. Posts: 2,367 Credits: 91 Spent time on board: :0:0 Hours Rep Power: 7	To be honost, I don't know. I posted that because it doesn't make sense for someone to say they believe in nothing, when nothing is something. So, basicly......I think you agreed with me. Or did you? **** I'm confussed. __________________ PremiumRenders.com ~ For All Your Render Needs

10-29-2006, 08:36 PM	#433 (permalink)
DaCougarMech Status: I'm Delicious! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: watching you through a hole in your ceiling Posts: 2,651 Credits: 101 Spent time on board: 2:59:38 Hours Rep Power: 9	well, i said that "believing in nothing is still believing in something" is bullshit then then you said that you posted that statement because it was contradicting. so i guess you ended up agreeing with me on post #430 i think we need some definition here. it's not so much that some people believe in an absolute absence of deities. they just could care less and hold no beliefs, which when i hrased it. might have sounded like they had a strong belief in a lack of deities that's the difference. most people who claim to be atheists dont hold any beliefs about religion. thus you can't really say that they hold beliefs like a christian or muslim would. however, i would agree that people with strong beliefs in a lack of a god could possibly be considered somewhat similar to christians or muslims. anyway, i think we were both somewhat right cause we were arguing about different things

10-29-2006, 10:09 PM	#434 (permalink)
Z3R0 Status: Viva La Revolucion! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In your closet. Posts: 2,367 Credits: 91 Spent time on board: :0:0 Hours Rep Power: 7	Lol, lets just call it defined then. We're both right. It was fun though, we should both be right and argue about something again sometime. Lol, you free Tuesday? __________________ PremiumRenders.com ~ For All Your Render Needs

11-07-2006, 05:05 AM	#435 (permalink)
10 man Status: *** Ancient Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: over there Posts: 533** Credits: 17 Spent time on board: 1 Day and 0:47:01 Hours Rep Power: 5	i love faith. its the ultimate cop out. nothing beats arguing a point like "well you just need to have faith". now im going to sit on my ass, quit my job, and wait for rapture. pointless ramble # 122323 __________________

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11-07-2006, 12:15 PM	#436 (permalink)
Z3R0 Status: Viva La Revolucion! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In your closet. Posts: 2,367 Credits: 91 Spent time on board: Days and :0:0 Hours Rep Power: 7	Or, you could go to a highway with a bible and shout angerly at people. __________________ PremiumRenders.com ~ For All Your Render Needs

12-22-2006, 08:09 PM	#438 (permalink)
Jordanv78 Status: Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 276 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: 0:00:03 Hours Rep Power: 2	I am agnostic. I don't really feel the need for religion myself. The truth is in my opinion Religion was used to group the masses who were scared of all the unknowns that the world had to offer. I think that it is way too outdated. On top of that religion is so centered around church these days that if you don't go to church, you aren't viewed as religious, which contradicts everything that most religions are about. I do not fault others who are religious, I just don't really care for the whole thing myself.