discussion on fort YET AGAIN - Blizzard Sector

**XKazeCloudX** · 07-14-2006, 03:51 AM

OKAY this is really ticking me off

SO much people say fort doesnt add smite damage. and SO MUCH OTHER PEOPLE say that it DOES and this silver ice guy thats made like..6k of post says fort DOES add damage =/ i am so very confused. i dont know how we can sit together and figure out if fort does or does not increase....PLEASE tell me how we can resolve this and get the correct answer

Silver Ice's

Quote:

fort:
gives 25-30 all resists
a chance to cast chilling armor... like 200% more total defense...
200% enhanced defense
300% enhanced damage... enhanced damage does seem to work with smite regardless of people saying it doesnt.

coh:
gives 65 all resists
+2 to all skills
nothing else useful here...

fort is way better.

**Bloodangel26** · 07-14-2006, 04:06 AM

http://www.blizzsector.net/diablo-ii...e-you-ask.html

pay special attention to the part about how the character screen lies

**XKazeCloudX** · 07-14-2006, 04:31 AM

OMG i am so mad at L4E he said it doesnt add damage not even invisible damage...thankyou blood angel that looked very accurate since its from bnet.

ps: i wonder what L4e has to say about this

L4E'S QUOTE

Quote:

coh is the best smiter armor
LIKE I SAID IN MY GUIDE FORT DOES NOT ADD DAMAGE. NOT INVISIBLE DMG, NOTHING.

**Bloodangel26** · 07-14-2006, 04:34 AM

its not from bnet, but you can trust it

**L4E** · 07-14-2006, 04:53 AM

external ed other than aura doesnt increase smite damage.

look i tested the fort myself, at first, i too thought it added dmg, but then i realised it didnt.
what did i do to test it? simple.

.take out ALL crushin blow + open wounds from ur gear
.equip fortitude + ur other gear
. go to anywhere where u can find a monster
. find a monster and hit him ONCE with fort on
. make sure the monster doesnt die and can survive at least 1-2 hits (i suggest removing ur grief, or else they die too fast)
.hit the same monster ONCE more and look at the difference between first and second hit
.ITS NOT OVER YET! do this to more than one monster, try to do it for like, 10 monsters for example.

tada.

i tested this in 1.11a =/ ON BATTLE.NET and i was not using any mods whatsoever, not that it would matter

smite is not like a normal attack, thats what u people dont understand... its a godamn spell, ur using a freakin shield to hit ffs!
and i dont see what the LCS has to with this, since the extra ed from fort is shown when using any other skill, unlike +dmg from grief, which is never shown

not to mention coh has 8% dr that u need to get 50%...

**Bloodangel26** · 07-14-2006, 04:58 AM

well, if you tested it, then i guess it doesnt add it to smite, but it does add to every other melee. and really i was just pointing out that the char screen lies, since your question didnt specifically say smite

**L4E** · 07-14-2006, 05:00 AM

heh, thats true he never mentionned smite xD
fort does add to all skills that use a REAL weapon and physical dmg

**XKazeCloudX** · 07-14-2006, 05:12 AM

wait im sry i forgot to mention smite. BUT you havnt tested this out on PVP i tried it on pvp with my friend. I hit him once with smite with coh then asked him his hp and then i hit him again with fort. i tried this 3 times and fort was consistantly doing more damage then coh. that was my testing. any views on that?

**Bloodangel26** · 07-14-2006, 05:19 AM

did you remove all gear that does crushing blow and open wounds?

**XKazeCloudX** · 07-14-2006, 05:48 AM

yes i have definately confirmed it(without crushing blow or wounds).

When i attacked with my coh my opponent hp consistantly lowered to ~1435.

when i attacked with fort my opponent hp consistantly lowered to ~1225.

calculating the 1/6 damage for pvp. the difference of 200 would be an increase of 1k of damage. Making the fort ed DOES add damage.

Unless you guys can tell me that some other sort of mod in fort was in play =/ ive tried this a total of six times attacking my friend. =D

**FraterPerdurabo** · 07-15-2006, 09:49 PM

As far as I am concerned, the damage added by Fort is added on top of the ed% of your Fanatiscm. So let's say:

Shield damage 70
Grief damage 400 (nice round number)

Level 20 Fanatiscm adds 373%ed.
As you have +skills items, let's say that it adds 400%ed at around ~lvl25 or so.
So you calculate (400+70)x(400/100) = 1880
Now if you add in the 200%ed from Fortitude, you will get:
(400+70)x[(400+200)/100] = 2820

Looking at it like this, my numbers seem quite high but I have not added in the damage gaps, bonuses from skills like Holy Shield and Smite, other sources of ed%, etc. This is not a 100% correct calculation, but this is approximately the method how bnet calculates damage.

07-14-2006, 04:53 AM	#5 (permalink)
L4E Status: Cant think of anything Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,890 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: 3:50:41 Hours Rep Power: 8	external ed other than aura doesnt increase smite damage. look i tested the fort myself, at first, i too thought it added dmg, but then i realised it didnt. what did i do to test it? simple. .take out ALL crushin blow + open wounds from ur gear .equip fortitude + ur other gear . go to anywhere where u can find a monster . find a monster and hit him ONCE with fort on . make sure the monster doesnt die and can survive at least 1-2 hits (i suggest removing ur grief, or else they die too fast) .hit the same monster ONCE more and look at the difference between first and second hit .ITS NOT OVER YET! do this to more than one monster, try to do it for like, 10 monsters for example. tada. i tested this in 1.11a =/ ON BATTLE.NET and i was not using any mods whatsoever, not that it would matter smite is not like a normal attack, thats what u people dont understand... its a godamn spell, ur using a freakin shield to hit ffs! and i dont see what the LCS has to with this, since the extra ed from fort is shown when using any other skill, unlike +dmg from grief, which is never shown not to mention coh has 8% dr that u need to get 50%... Last edited by L4E; 07-14-2006 at 04:58 AM..

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07-14-2006, 04:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
Bloodangel26 Status: I am Legend. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,279 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 84 Spent time on board: 23:28:53 Hours Rep Power: 15	http://www.blizzsector.net/diablo-ii...e-you-ask.html pay special attention to the part about how the character screen lies

07-14-2006, 04:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
Bloodangel26 Status: I am Legend. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,279 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 84 Spent time on board: 23:28:53 Hours Rep Power: 15	its not from bnet, but you can trust it

07-14-2006, 04:58 AM	#6 (permalink)
Bloodangel26 Status: I am Legend. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,279 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 84 Spent time on board: 23:28:53 Hours Rep Power: 15	well, if you tested it, then i guess it doesnt add it to smite, but it does add to every other melee. and really i was just pointing out that the char screen lies, since your question didnt specifically say smite

07-14-2006, 05:00 AM	#7 (permalink)
L4E Status: Cant think of anything Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,890 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: 3:50:41 Hours Rep Power: 8	heh, thats true he never mentionned smite xD fort does add to all skills that use a REAL weapon and physical dmg

07-14-2006, 05:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
XKazeCloudX Status: Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stockton Cali Posts: 280 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: 0:08:10 Hours Rep Power: 4	wait im sry i forgot to mention smite. BUT you havnt tested this out on PVP i tried it on pvp with my friend. I hit him once with smite with coh then asked him his hp and then i hit him again with fort. i tried this 3 times and fort was consistantly doing more damage then coh. that was my testing. any views on that?

07-14-2006, 05:19 AM	#9 (permalink)
Bloodangel26 Status: I am Legend. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,279 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 84 Spent time on board: 23:28:53 Hours Rep Power: 15	did you remove all gear that does crushing blow and open wounds?

07-14-2006, 05:48 AM	#10 (permalink)
XKazeCloudX Status: Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stockton Cali Posts: 280 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: 0:08:10 Hours Rep Power: 4	yes i have definately confirmed it(without crushing blow or wounds). When i attacked with my coh my opponent hp consistantly lowered to ~1435. when i attacked with fort my opponent hp consistantly lowered to ~1225. calculating the 1/6 damage for pvp. the difference of 200 would be an increase of 1k of damage. Making the fort ed DOES add damage. Unless you guys can tell me that some other sort of mod in fort was in play =/ ive tried this a total of six times attacking my friend. =D

07-15-2006, 09:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
FraterPerdurabo Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,834 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 216 Spent time on board: 2 Days and 13:28:02 Hours Rep Power: 12	As far as I am concerned, the damage added by Fort is added on top of the ed% of your Fanatiscm. So let's say: Shield damage 70 Grief damage 400 (nice round number) Level 20 Fanatiscm adds 373%ed. As you have +skills items, let's say that it adds 400%ed at around ~lvl25 or so. So you calculate (400+70)x(400/100) = 1880 Now if you add in the 200%ed from Fortitude, you will get: (400+70)x[(400+200)/100] = 2820 Looking at it like this, my numbers seem quite high but I have not added in the damage gaps, bonuses from skills like Holy Shield and Smite, other sources of ed%, etc. This is not a 100% correct calculation, but this is approximately the method how bnet calculates damage.