FraterPerdurabo

That's if you're a noob, yeah. Basically, that's what you avoid doing with a hammerdin versus wind druids. Spirit wolves absorb hammers, so you can shoot away at the hammer while you are not getting hit. The only problem is getting up close, but if you do that yourself, then it's just "izi".

Ares

my gear sure i use HOTO Maras p topazed shako enigma mage plate hoz 2 p nags war trav arach and mages... my inv has nothing but anni torch and tome more room incase bot picks up goodies. that gear brings me to 273 mf at lvl 91. ( mf goes up by lvl since enigma has mf per lvl mod)

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Dan

thats not to smart vs a good bowzon, dodge dodge and arrows catch up to kill him

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FraterPerdurabo

It's not smart vs anyone, only noobs and hackers do it.

L4E

when its smiter vs hammerdin, its all about luck. like, whoever gets the first hit and so on..

the best smiters are those with HUGE resist and life, aka the tank smiter, they can walk through an assassins traps and even through a cs zon

check my guides..

Kratick

Please...read the thread.

That is not the question at all..

I was asking for someone to list PRO/CON'S of having a Hammerdin , compared to PRO/CON'S of having a Smiter instead.

Just asking which I should make. There are however enough replies in the thread for me to make my decision.

Thanks all.

Ares

ok hammerdin can attack many targets and has no immune.. smiter can attack one target hammerdin is good for rushing mfin etc smiter duel and 1v1 things like ubers

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FraterPerdurabo

Most Smiters are extremely easy in duels, besides Life Tappers, but that is BM. Any decent barb can own a Smiter easily, unless the Smiter is like 10x more skilled than the barb.

Smiters are also inferior to most casters.

I would definately go for a hammerdin, but not a pure one. Make Hammer/Charge, or Hammer/Smite, or Hammer/FoH, something along those lines. If interested, PM me, I can give you a hand on how to build one.

Arc

well i havent seen a single person post this but id go with a liberator if your making a pvp din. charge/hammers, and with the right gear can be pretty godly

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Immortality

IMO hammerdin is the best pala you can make. He really pwns if he is built correctly. For example my hammerdin (i will post screenshots later) can easily cast 17k dmg and I have lost a duel only with an assa. Sorces and the other characters are afraid and they tele away from hammerdin. Besides this my hammerdin has 18k def.Here is the stats and skills of my hammadin.

Skills:
20 blessed hamer
20 Concentration
20 Vigor
20 Blessed aim
Requirements
The other skill might get to holy shield or foh

Stats:
My hammerdin without equipment has
102 strength
98 dexterity
227 vitality
52 energy

Equipment:
Helm:Shako umed
Amu: Perf maras 30
Weapon:Hoto 37
Shield:Hoz eth zod
Armor:Enigma ap 15% ed
Gloves:Magefist
Rings:2x SoJs
Belt:Arach perf
Boots:Waterwalk
Switch: CtA 6 and Spirit shield 28%
Inventory:9x Pala combat skillers and pala torch 10/20 Not an anni yet
And 5x 19 life scs and 3x 20 life scs.

Your damage with this built will be 17k and your resists even in hell will be perfect. (75)

The only disadvantage of hammerdin is that his equipment worth a much so if you are not rich just try the smiter.

FraterPerdurabo

Easy hammer. I've never lost to a pure hammer, so I doubt that I would lose to yours. Just out of interest, give me your acc (mine's *AOL-Frater) or whisp me. You play Ladder, right?

edit: Ok, I didn't have time in the morning, because I had to hurry to gym, but came back now and read through your post...

102 base str? 52 base energy? 98 base dex? Wtf?

Also, with 75% FCR you will not be able to take down any caster. This is your regular baalrunning PvM build. I don't see how you can kill in PvP, you must be owning complete boons.

edit2: rest of skill points into FoH, if you don't even have a FoH stick on switch? Sorry to say, but you seem to be an utter noob.

Immortality

Hmmm as I can see you are an utter noob. 75% fcr is ok if you can kill ANYONE with 1 single hammer and not cast hell hammers all over the place don't you think? As for the stats they are all right coz 1)My cta is phase blade need dexterity,2)I was low on mana so I thought of adding a little more points there,3)What is the point of giving sojs to get a foh stick if you are a hammerdin?Pointless. Btw I am not on ladder I am not playing in USA also. I am playng non-ladder Europe so...

FraterPerdurabo

Yes you are a noob, and by the way, I play Europe Ladder, so once the season finishes, I'll come and beat your shitty hammer. You don't kill anyone with a single hammer, that's the point. Let's say you did 18k in one hit, meaning that you would be dealing just slightly over 3k dam in 1 hit, which is not enough to kill with your cast rate. Your cast rare is so damn slow that you will not catch any caster, not even speaking of a 200%fcr sorc. Hammers are all over the place? Show me someone that is actually retarded enough to tele/run into hammers. Then you partially ****ed your char up, because you made your cta in the wrong weapon? You were low on mana so you added some into energy? That's the dumbest thing that I've heard in a long time. If you are not buying a FoH stick, then why put points into FoH? Those points should go into Holy Shield.

Jeez, I really hate it when people who don't know shit try to act almighty.

edit: And just to bash your shitty build a little more, why 102 STR? And by the way, there aren't many builds that you can kill with 1 hammer, with the exception of perhaps MF sorcs. It would take your hammerdin 3 hits to kill my brother's barb, for example.

edit2: Ok, my clanmate is getting a few NL chars off his friends at the moment (he gave all of his away :S), so give me your account and I'll whisp you in a bit.

Immortality

No point discuss more, like someone's signature, said don't discuss with a stupid he will bring you to his level. I am waiting /w *lordi_lof when you are ready....to die.

pengachu

usually, ppl's top choice would be hammerdin at ur situation.

however, considering the possible potential of a smiter, there are a few comparisons that might help u decide.

hammerdin advantages:

high dmg
easily manuverable
easier to play with
area spells (group controls)

smiter advantages:

good dueler
stun
decent dmg

from my past experiences, smiter is only good dealing with a small number of monsters or pvp cuz of the stunning ability that will literally stun a person to death once u hit them. however, if in terms of pvm like mfing or killing bosses, hammerdin is the way to go.

its really a matter of experiences and personal preferences. ppl with not enuf experience or with average gears should consider making a hammerdin instead of a smiter because of the high potential dmg for a hammerdin. smiter requires more micromanagement in both duels and mfing. so i strongly recommend building a hammerdin in this case.

FraterPerdurabo

Is that /w *LORDI_LOF ? Why offline? I'm just getting a few people together to teach you a few lessons, wish I could do it myself, but my NL acc got banned.

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Man I'm waiting. Whisp me *AOL-Frater

There are a few people are are waiting to be killed by you lol.

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Now the problem here is that I do not have any NL chars, but fortunately, I had a few friends online, so I whispered them. Eventually, quite a few came, so here are the screenshots of what followed: Screenshot 1: Screenshot 2: Screenshot 3: Screenshot 4: Screenshot 5: Now the moral of the story is not to bring badly-built PvM chars into PvP. He did actually manage to get 2-3 kills, a naked MF sorc (actually that MF sorc killed him a few times as well, lol) and a bvc barb with HOTOs, but those were joke duels. Now I am not posting these screenshots because I want to embarass Immortality, I am just telling you guys to watch out with the advice that you get from people. If the creator of this thread actually had followed Immortality's advice, he would have been obliterated in the same fashing. Reason 2: Keep your mouth shut if you cannot back your words up. Immortality, even though I didn't duel you, don't think that I'm much worse than my friends. Remember the sorc that beat you 5-0 and 2-0? Well, we had some very good tvt with him (he also has Ladder chars) afterwards. Especially, since I have a druid and druids absorb hammers. Wait till the ladder finishes and I will rip you apart in the same fashion.

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I suggest that you delete and rebuild, lol.

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By the way, that was normal duels, so getting owned by sorcs is a lol xD

Bartender

I'm making a 125 fcr hammerdin, that does around 11k damage, I'll tell you how that goes.

FraterPerdurabo

If it's for PvP, don't bother. It may survive a bit longer than Immortality's hammer, but won't achieve much. Really, I keep telling you guys, PURE HAMMERDINS DON'T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO BE IN PVP.

Make a Hybrid, such as FoH/Hammer, Charger/Hammer, Smite/Hammer, those are very, very difficult to kill.

If it's for PvM, sure go on.

edit: by the way, you should be able to get a lot more than 11k on a 125% fcr hammer. My bot does 11k dam with 125%fcr, no skillers and MF equipment.

Dan

erm quote fraters msg, dont wanna do it cause its so big.

way to show him, dont u love it when people start to lose they get all defensive and make up excuses?

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FraterPerdurabo

Yeah man, don't you just love it when people get these shitty pvm builds and bring them into PvP to get owned lol. I cannot wait until the ladder finishes, so that I can duel his clan lol.