Windy Druid or Bone Necro ???

rpflip · 08-21-2005, 01:33 AM

hey could somone please outline some pros and cons maybe for a windy druid and a bone necro bcuz im not sure which to make lol.

maybe if yu could also include a mini build and how each would fair in duels? this would help me out a lot. also wat r the max damages acheived by the windy druid and bone necro with good gear (rich ppl gear but not too hi like 08 valks...,lol)

please and thanks:)

**Halcyon** · 08-21-2005, 01:42 AM

This is a very good ele druid guide that i like.
I wouldnt do a bone necro now, the marrow glitch is over which makes for a much weaker necro.

Elemental Druid PVP & PVM
The new synergies introduced in 1.10 have made the Elemental Druid incredibly powerful. Only good Barbarians and Amazons really pose a threat PVP. A perfectly built Elemental Druid can stomp just about any other class. Elemental Druids are great PVM as well, so this build can serve either purpose equally well.

Stats
· Strength - None. Use jewelry/boots and a Mageplate/Breastplate Enigma to get enough Strength to equip your items.
· Dexterity - Either go for max block with an SS, or no Dex at all. No Dex will allow over 500 Vitality.
· Energy - None.
· Vitality - The rest of your points go here.

Skills
20 - Tornado
20 - Cyclone Armor
20 - Twister
20 - Hurricane
20 - Oak Sage

Equipment
Helm: Use a Shako, socketed with a Shael, or a 15% resist 7%fhr jewel (if you can find one).
Armor: Use a Mageplate/Breastplate Enigma and avoid wasting a single point on Strength.
Gloves: Magefist for 20% FCR and mana regen. Max FCR (fast cast rate) is critical in PVP.
Shield: Stormshield with a -15% requirements, 15% Res all jewel or an Eld rune for 7% increased chance to block (saves you from spending points on Dexterity).
Shield/Weapon on Backside: Lidless wall (or +2 skills Spirit Monarch - ladder only if you can get it) for +1 skills and a CTA for Battle Orders/Command to increase your life/skills.
Belt: Arachnid Mesh for 20% FCR and +1 Skills
Boots: Ethereal Sandstorm Trek for vitality, Strength, poison resist and great defense. They are self repair, so they will never 'break'.
Weapon: Get a high resist (close to 40%) Heart of the Oak flail. 30-40% resist all, +3 Skills, and 40% FCR make this the weapon of choice. 40% Fast cast from your HOTO is critical to making your Elemental Druid effective.
Amulet: 30% Resist Mara's, or a godly +2 Druid amulet with stats/resist/FCR.
Ring 1: SOJ, or BK, or use a 10% FCR ring with mana/ stats/ resist to reach 99% FCR plateau (if you have not reached the plateau already)
Ring 2: SOJ
Charms: 5x +1 Elemental grand charms with 35+ life, 5x +1 Elemental grand charms with 12% FHR , 1x Annihilus, and 9x life/mana, life/resist charms.

Strategy
With a HOTO (40), Magefist (20), and Arachnid Sash (20) your Druid will have 80% fast cast. In order to hit the 99% plateau you need a 20% FCR circlet or a 20% FCR amulet. I would hit that 99% plateau for sure (11 FPS), because that will give you a big edge Druid vs. Druid (caster vs. caster). It will also help you catch all those Necromancers that will be running when they see this build.

Druid Fast Cast Rate (FCR) plateaus:
(in FPS - Frames Per Second)
18 frames = base
17 frames = 4%
16 frames = 10%
15 frames = 19%
14 frames = 30%
13 frames = 46%
12 frames = 68%
11 frames = 99%
10 frames = 163%

Druids have horrible base FHR , so I would recommend putting a 7% FHR / 15% Res Jewel or a Shael in your helm (20% FHR ), or getting some Elemental grand charms with FHR , or small charms with FHR (5% FHR/ 5% resist charms are quite rare, but they exist) . See the FHR table at the bottom for details.

**snoboy** · 08-21-2005, 02:20 AM

they both have pros and cons, yes the amrrow glitch is fixed but wait u cans till put points into b one prison to get most of the dmg back :O so they are not that much weaker jsut may take soem mroe lvling, aight well bone encros and windy druids can beat eahc other neither is better than the toher jsut amtter of skill timing and speed, the druid jsut has to be able to catch the necro to be abel to nade and for his hurricane to hit him, so i think its completely up to teh user we cant make ur decision :P

**Halcyon** · 08-21-2005, 02:35 AM

Depends on preference and what you think is more fun to play, and fits your style. I would choose the Wind Druid, but i dont like either of these builds alot.

rpflip · 08-21-2005, 10:05 PM

thanks for yur input guys, really helped me..but culd somone plz post a mini v1.11 bone nec guide plesE?

also would an over 10k blizz sorc be better?

**Halcyon** · 08-21-2005, 10:51 PM

Well, i havent tried either of these chars in PvP, but ive seen Blizz sorcs and Bone Necros win in duels, but i dont think either of them are very good in duels against the main duelers, including Smiters, WW barbs, chargers, zealers ect.

**xxenycexx** · 08-22-2005, 01:18 AM

IMO blizz sorcs own cuz of that fast teleing and a lot of % from -resist + cold % gear

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08-21-2005, 01:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
rpflip Status: Newcomer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mississauga Posts: 31 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 4	hey could somone please outline some pros and cons maybe for a windy druid and a bone necro bcuz im not sure which to make lol. maybe if yu could also include a mini build and how each would fair in duels? this would help me out a lot. also wat r the max damages acheived by the windy druid and bone necro with good gear (rich ppl gear but not too hi like 08 valks...,lol) please and thanks:)

08-21-2005, 01:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
Halcyon Status: Forum Elder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Detroit Posts: 917 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: 16:18:23 Hours Rep Power: 5	This is a very good ele druid guide that i like. I wouldnt do a bone necro now, the marrow glitch is over which makes for a much weaker necro. Elemental Druid PVP & PVM The new synergies introduced in 1.10 have made the Elemental Druid incredibly powerful. Only good Barbarians and Amazons really pose a threat PVP. A perfectly built Elemental Druid can stomp just about any other class. Elemental Druids are great PVM as well, so this build can serve either purpose equally well. Stats · Strength - None. Use jewelry/boots and a Mageplate/Breastplate Enigma to get enough Strength to equip your items. · Dexterity - Either go for max block with an SS, or no Dex at all. No Dex will allow over 500 Vitality. · Energy - None. · Vitality - The rest of your points go here. Skills 20 - Tornado 20 - Cyclone Armor 20 - Twister 20 - Hurricane 20 - Oak Sage Equipment Helm: Use a Shako, socketed with a Shael, or a 15% resist 7%fhr jewel (if you can find one). Armor: Use a Mageplate/Breastplate Enigma and avoid wasting a single point on Strength. Gloves: Magefist for 20% FCR and mana regen. Max FCR (fast cast rate) is critical in PVP. Shield: Stormshield with a -15% requirements, 15% Res all jewel or an Eld rune for 7% increased chance to block (saves you from spending points on Dexterity). Shield/Weapon on Backside: Lidless wall (or +2 skills Spirit Monarch - ladder only if you can get it) for +1 skills and a CTA for Battle Orders/Command to increase your life/skills. Belt: Arachnid Mesh for 20% FCR and +1 Skills Boots: Ethereal Sandstorm Trek for vitality, Strength, poison resist and great defense. They are self repair, so they will never 'break'. Weapon: Get a high resist (close to 40%) Heart of the Oak flail. 30-40% resist all, +3 Skills, and 40% FCR make this the weapon of choice. 40% Fast cast from your HOTO is critical to making your Elemental Druid effective. Amulet: 30% Resist Mara's, or a godly +2 Druid amulet with stats/resist/FCR. Ring 1: SOJ, or BK, or use a 10% FCR ring with mana/ stats/ resist to reach 99% FCR plateau (if you have not reached the plateau already) Ring 2: SOJ Charms: 5x +1 Elemental grand charms with 35+ life, 5x +1 Elemental grand charms with 12% FHR , 1x Annihilus, and 9x life/mana, life/resist charms. Strategy With a HOTO (40), Magefist (20), and Arachnid Sash (20) your Druid will have 80% fast cast. In order to hit the 99% plateau you need a 20% FCR circlet or a 20% FCR amulet. I would hit that 99% plateau for sure (11 FPS), because that will give you a big edge Druid vs. Druid (caster vs. caster). It will also help you catch all those Necromancers that will be running when they see this build. Druid Fast Cast Rate (FCR) plateaus: (in FPS - Frames Per Second) 18 frames = base 17 frames = 4% 16 frames = 10% 15 frames = 19% 14 frames = 30% 13 frames = 46% 12 frames = 68% 11 frames = 99% 10 frames = 163% Druids have horrible base FHR , so I would recommend putting a 7% FHR / 15% Res Jewel or a Shael in your helm (20% FHR ), or getting some Elemental grand charms with FHR , or small charms with FHR (5% FHR/ 5% resist charms are quite rare, but they exist) . See the FHR table at the bottom for details.

08-21-2005, 02:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
snoboy Status: Veteran Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 461 Credits: 100 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 4	they both have pros and cons, yes the amrrow glitch is fixed but wait u cans till put points into b one prison to get most of the dmg back :O so they are not that much weaker jsut may take soem mroe lvling, aight well bone encros and windy druids can beat eahc other neither is better than the toher jsut amtter of skill timing and speed, the druid jsut has to be able to catch the necro to be abel to nade and for his hurricane to hit him, so i think its completely up to teh user we cant make ur decision :P

08-21-2005, 02:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
Halcyon Status: Forum Elder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Detroit Posts: 917 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: 16:18:23 Hours Rep Power: 5	Depends on preference and what you think is more fun to play, and fits your style. I would choose the Wind Druid, but i dont like either of these builds alot.

08-21-2005, 10:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
rpflip Status: Newcomer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mississauga Posts: 31 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 4	thanks for yur input guys, really helped me..but culd somone plz post a mini v1.11 bone nec guide plesE? also would an over 10k blizz sorc be better?

08-21-2005, 10:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
Halcyon Status: Forum Elder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Detroit Posts: 917 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: 16:18:23 Hours Rep Power: 5	Well, i havent tried either of these chars in PvP, but ive seen Blizz sorcs and Bone Necros win in duels, but i dont think either of them are very good in duels against the main duelers, including Smiters, WW barbs, chargers, zealers ect.

08-22-2005, 01:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
xxenycexx Status: Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 55 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 4	IMO blizz sorcs own cuz of that fast teleing and a lot of % from -resist + cold % gear