What exactly is the best PvM druid? The most common builds I see are hurricane, fury, rabies, and fire claw builds. But which one is the best, and has the most damage output (btw, jw whats the best skill for a bear to use other than fire claw). Thnx!

The most dmg output has a shapeshift druid with BotD TH. My friend got one with about 18k dmg. The most succesfull druid is windy druid I think.

For PvM, Wind Druid > other Druid builds. Melee is handicapped in PvM because of Iron Maiden, therefore can not solo Chaos Sanctuary, and occasionally has problems in Throne of Destruction.

I have a Wind druid guide coming up in a few days, so check back here if interested.

wind druid can do anything and can rush act1-5 in hell (including baal) so i guess it is the best. Costs a bit more than a shapeshifter though

Windy has a large disability in hell because there are so many cold immunes. Also 1 hand weaps that break the 7/4 weapon fury rate are best. Damage isnt as important as you may think. All BOtD WILL NOT achieve the 95% WIAS to make it very effective as a pvp, for pvm thou i would imagine a BOtD Zerk + SS with a shal would be much moe effective.

~Lynch~

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ROFL AT THAT!

I dont see many shapshifters walking around a hoto rofl.
Name one thing on a windy druid that costs more than 5 soj?
I can name one thing on a godly shapshifter that costs 4x that.
A CCSoQ is worth 20 soj 3 sock and clean then just imagine if you added 3x 40/15. OMFGzOrZ the SeXoR! Anyways just trying to point out if you are going to go fury druid that are like uber expensive.(due to all the 3/20/20 you have to have or 20 life sc. It all adds up.)

~Lynch~

Windys kill with Tornado (physical), not Hurricane (cold), therefore they have the same problem with immunities, as would Fury Druids have. Except that they also have a little cold damage to back it up, also Windys use Reaper's Toll on mercs, which removes immunities.



There you go. That costs more than 10 entire Shapeshifters.

This druid helmet is the best helmet i have ever seen.If it had some fcr more it would be the best druid item in game.

You cannot have fcr on a Druid only helm, only on Tiaras. Actually, FCR is not needed anyway, because usually, Druid's get their FCR from amulets or other pieces of equipment.

That is a pretty sweet helm though (not mine), but I wonder why the moron Jah'ed it... Ber would have been much better in it.

Bleh, I hate being corrected. >.< (Nice Helm.)
But lets face it. Do you REALLY expect the average player to obtain a helm of that quality? I was just stating that a regular wind druid wouldn't have any items over 5 soj. Jalas, Spirit?, hoto, boots, belt, maras, 2 soj, cta, another spirit? I don't think any over that was over 5 soj. All Good Thou. :)

The best stuff for a fury druid would be:

CCSoQ 3 Sock (3x 40/15) = 40-60 Hr depending on cruel magic %
Jewler's Armor of Stability = 20-30 Hr sockets depending on build(would suggest clean)
A PCerberus's Bite would cost a load I would imagine.(Don't play ladder so i wouldn't know.)
39x 3/20/20 is what was recommended to me that could get expensive.

~Lynch~

P.S. That helm is amazing.

Yes, but you really wouldn't be expecting an avarage player to obtain all that gear, would you? I mean, 39x3/20/20 cost a shitload on ladders especially. PCerebrus would not be too expensive...

Besides the helm, godly Wind Druids also use godly amus (for example 2druid 19%fcr 20 str 20 dex etc). Saw a similar one go for 3.2k fg at d2jsp (1hr = 8fg). I really think that a perfect Wind Druid would be much more expensive than a perfect Fury Druid.

If its a contest between what average people wear then fury would still win. Ill try to breakdown real quick.

Wind Druid:
Jalas - 1 Soj
CoH - 2-3 Soj
Boots - 1 Soj
Gloves - 1 Soj
Maras - 1-2 Soj
2 soj - 2 soj
Hoto - 1-2 soj
Spirit - 1-2 soj

Total Price: 10 - 14 Soj

Fury Druid:
Jalas - 1 Soj
Nigmas or Fort - 1-3 soj or 2-5 soj
Boots - 1 soj
Gloves - 1 soj
Highlords Wrath - 1 soj
Dual Ravens - 1-2 Soj
SS - 1 Soj
Gris Caddy - 1 soj =3 sock or 3 soj = 4 sock
Then add all the things you socket.

Total Price: 8 - 15 with no sockets filled.

Thats a quick rundown + none of the inventory stuff which would sky rocket both depending on there charm of intrest.

~Lynch~

P.S. The choice of Nigma vs. Fortitude is the players choice. i prefer Nigma because of the +Strength per lvl.

Well, the prices are quite a bit different on your realm (Europe ladder here), but usually, I don't aim for low budget stuff, and overall, I think that a low budget Wind Druid owns a low budget Fury Druid any day, and is also much better versus other classes.

Who aims for the lowest possible stuff? Lol. No one does, its just some people get stuck with it.

And yes a windy druid is probably a better dueler, but the fun factor is like 0? tele, tele, cast, tele, cast, cast, tele back to town rinse and repeat.

This specific topic was built on the pvm side which also I forgot to correct myself on the weapon choice. EBOtDZ is the best choice for a pvmer, Caddy is for a pvper. also on the topic of pvp if you do make a fury pvper, druidpk is always fun.

I would also like to add a good fury druid is very gear intensive you have to have the stuff you need. Windy Druids offer a little more versatility.

~Lynch~

I don't know, I have a lot of fun with my Wind Druid. I guess that Fury druid's weakness in PvM would be his lack of versatility. When someone is teleing to baal, I usually do Nihla and bloody foothills with my windy (chaos with my hammer). Fury is kind of restricted, because tele is a hassle (have to remorph all the time).

True,True i guess it depends on the person. I love dueling with a fury pvp druid. Never been much a pvmer. You should always run with a fury druid, beacause fury is like zeal it hits all surrounding targets. So, if you fight one at a time and that one enemy takes all 5 hits thats much more effective then when it spread out amongst 10 enemies. For pvm fury build high ml and ll is imparitive.

~Lynch~

the highest dmg will be melee druid if your looking at 1 skill vs 1 skill... however you also have to factor in clicking 50 times on a non-PI character using ~7k+ nados with the 2nd to last fcr bp... if you like to tele and use spells.. a wind druid... if you like melee, then fury druid i guess. they're both fine PvM although windy is a little more versatile (i.e. teleing, rushing, ability to tele away from pack of PIs, etc). If you don't like casting, then go Fury, if you like casters, go Windy.. its pretty simple bro.

And lynch, you really don't play too too much, nor do you know about many builds. Don't take this personally, but a godly windy costs more than you will ever be able to afford. Specifically Ladder, elem lifers/elem FHR gcs cost 5 times as much as any SS gc and 10 times as much as any Summon gc and the FHR/Res Life/Res Life/Mana will cost just as much as ar/lifer or max/ar/lifer scs... the FCR rings you will use will cost 50times as much as any melee ring you use... the ammy itself as Frater suggested will cost what your fury druid costs. the fury weapon, if ANY1 has it on ANY realm will be the sexiest wpn for a dozen classes (ur ccsoq which i have never seen myself.. and i doubt you have)... gl obtaining that even in theory or a comparable sword/zerker. With items that are obtainable by a player, rich or poor, a windy will always cost more. Helm/Ammy/Rings/GCs/SCs all cost an as.sload. Do some research on any great windy vs any great fury druid.... the windy's gear will cost 3-5imes as much and they will also own the game comparedly. Windys are the superior character in all aspects and the more expensive.

Do you have to have a godly windy to survive? PvM wise fury can get away with most stuff because of life leech casters are a little more difficult. You find a fury druid that can beat a good smiter or zealer 85% of the time I'll put cold hard cash on it that his setup equals possibly even doubles that of your own. What makes you think everything a windy uses is so much more? I've seen expensive caster rings and ammys but on the flip side I've seen expensive melee ammys and rings also. Try and think about the cost difference between any average caster vs. any average melee. Melee will easily win that one. Simply put, there is just more things that melee characters need to have that casters don't. I don't see alot of casters walking around with a inventory of 30/20/20 even on nl, I can't imagine the thought on ladder. O yes and btw, all gcs can give extra mods not just elemental gcs. CCSoQ and the other Cruel * of Quickness were made unavailable in the .09 patch when blizzard changed the cube rules for adding sockets to magic weapons. (you can still get the mods but you lose the sockets you must have to make the item godly.) Imagine a .08 Valk, but like 500 x harder to get and you get the cost. These weapons were ULTRA-RARE even in .09, very limited numbers have made it to 1.11b and the price now is almost inhuman.

~Lynch~

Fury Druid weapons, like that Cruel blabla of Quickness and the other amazing one, eth perf Tomb Reaver are actually easier to come by than rare items, since rare items are actually "unique", unless they get duped. So if you really want something, there is only one person that can sell it to you and they can name their own price.

Wind Druids are much more dependant on rare items than Fury Druids.