Determinado

Well then you don't understand the laws of demand and offer.
If the Fed offers more dollars then the value of it goes down, plain and simple. Keep doing it 'to buy foreign goods' will simply make the dollar worth less and less.

Oh really? I thought there were 3 parties over there... Or are those 3 parties actually groups of parties in a cartel?

Not that simple though. In times of decline you won't see any change after lowering taxes because there's no trust of the entrepreneurs. Because there's no trust, they won't invest more or buy more, meaning the government will have not more but less tax incomes, which will then mean again that there will be less government spending... Wow man I'm glad I stopped doing Applied Economic Science xD


Yes of course, both father and mother should have a say, and to secure his rights they should marry (just to avoid a seperated couple quarelling about keeping a child or not)
Opposing it is as much as forcing people to keep a child, and that is inhuman. But I guess we understand eachother on abortion when we agree on euthanasia for living people (simply same logic as unborn childs)

I understand that, many people think like that. But if everyone pays for healthcare, it means everything will cost less for everybody. If you're poor and need your leg looked after, you can have it done. If you're rich, same thing, and it won't cost you as much. 'Everyone take care of yourself' is a bit harsh though, especially if you have the confrontation with someone who spent over 15 years taking care of her husband with Multiple sclerose and had to pay almost everything herself. Without healthcare she just wouldn't have survived.

Yes it is. In the Netherlands I believe the system is so that you can get a income from the state for like 1 year, a pretty good one, then you're simply dropped from the system if you are clearly not wanting to work.

What the hell? What do you know about rape?
If someone gets raped without getting pregnant it is DESTROYING their life! For **** sake, why are religious people the personification of evil 90% of the time!
Man I really hate you for saying that! You want someone who got raped to keep the child of a rapist? Nice, you can make it a religious personification of the devil!
If you could at least have read my post which says nothing about rape, but no, man you truely are a fundamentalistic religious person, you spread evil, suffering and hate and act as if it's a good thing!

Btw:
Who messed up if your child is a retard? *** I GUESS
If there is a *** walking earth, I'm 100% sure it's me.
For what you wish other people, to keep the child of rape, I hope you ever see (not neccesarily personally) the suffering your opinion spreads.

Ever thought how you'll say the child his father was a rapist? Good luck man, if I can still call you man! Good luck with your religion of fear!

Blue

You have no idea what my post said, what Christianity is, or about politics in general. Just by looking at your post, you're more ignorant than I use to be.

That and your English sucks.

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No arguments, once again

Mathalamus

obama. and i am pro abortion. if the child is found to have a major issue (retardness, no limb or two, something seriously wrong) abortion is nessicary to save money, grief, and stress. its just how i am

SpoonMan999

I understand that, but to say the value of your currency means nothing is just ignorant. It has an effect, a significant one, but the most important thing is to get people to start spending again.

We have the Green Party, Libertarian, Republican, Democratic, etc...

And raising taxes will create that trust?

I'll just be clear that I would probably never let someone abort my child, however I don't think it is the government's job to regulate this. It should be a personal choice. Also, you're not forcing them to keep anything...they can always put the child up for adoption if they aren't ready for the responsibility.

Everything will cost less yes, which means the medical industry will make less money. Which means competitiveness will almost disappear in the industry. Which means medical advances slow and the quality of work decreases, not to mention you'll see a decline in the number of people wishing to be doctors.

You guys are nicer than I am, 6 months and I'd stop sending checks. It shouldn't take you more than that to find a decent job.



And one quick word on Blue...we all pretty much ignore him. I'd suggest you follow suit, it'll be for the best.

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Z3R0

Lets see, we're pretty much ****ed either way. >.>

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Yes so the value has to become stable, nothing more because an increased value simply makes your product more expensive in other countries, so that's bad as well.

Okay thx

There's something in between raising and lowering taxes...
A massive state debt can curse your state and any projects it has for the next few decades, and looking up the public debt of the US doesn't give much hope. If they don't start decreasing debt now, the country will keep on losing money (because as you know, they need to pay interests on this debt every year, so simply not having debt each year won't even do the trick!)
And if the state loses money they will get into a circle of doom. More debt -> More interests -> Less tax incomes -> More debt -> ...

Tell me how decreasing taxes can solve this problem? Decreasing taxes in a time of recession isn't going to do the trick, you should be happy if the extra consumption from tax cuts will even even out and not generate even more debt.

Do you know what it means to
1) Have a child with serious health problems
2) Have a child you cannot raise happily and let someone else do it. You are not - and propably will never be - a mother and maybe you cannot understand it entirely, but it's a horrible thing. It's your own flesh and blood, your child, and if you don't do abortion if you can't raise it, you will raise it whatsoever. If mothers cannot raise their child, sometimes dramas occur like the mother suiciding after killing the child, or when a mother wants to suicide herself, she mostly won't leave the child behind.
And besides that, there's too much people on the world already. Having babies you don't want and letting them be adopted is kind of silly, because children that are already in problems won't get helped that way.

It will cost less for citizens, the treatments will still costs as much as they do now, the government will pay it (meaning doctors can easily ask even more!)

I live in Belgium actually, there's a really bad system here. Many people who don't deserve support from the government get it, and others who really deserve it don't get it, or not enough. The core idea is good, but it can fail hard if the system isn't carefully developped and maintained. And there will always be abusers of course, no matter how good the system is, but one thing is important and it's that some people will actually be able to get a happy life no matter how bad it started. 'The American Dream' suggests anyone can become rich in the states, but everyone knows that's not true.


Well he ignores everything I say and replies with not much more than oneliners So until he starts argumenting I will as well seize argumenting (against him)

I first thought you were talking about me btw Thought some hated the fact I hardly ever agree with someone right away

SpoonMan999

Bad for the other countries maybe. This may be selfish but we need to look out for us, with the Euro on the rise we can't afford to let our currency's value decline any further.

Right now, the debt should not be our major concern. Right now getting things under control to keep us out of recession is the most important thing. Stocks are slowly moving back up and gas has gone down in price a bit but we need to do something to stimulate spending.

As I said, it's the parent's choice and I personally would choose to keep the child or put it up for adoption. It's not up to me to decide who deserves life and who doesn't. Everyone deserves a chance in my opinion.

In order for them to keep the prices the same they would have to raise taxes by an enormous amount. If they don't we'll just slip further into debt. If they do we'll have more money out of our pockets and you'll see more people out on the streets.

Everyone has a chance to make it, that's what it's about.

He is, quite frankly, an idiot.

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Although you guys have an enormous inside market, export & import are still important. If your products are more expensive in other countries that doesn't mean you simply get more money, it will make them think where they could get it cheaper, or they will simply buy less. A strong but instable currency is a lot lessi nteresting than a weak but stable one.

Here in Belgium those taxes are deducated straight from your income in a seperate system than normal taxes. Although this isn't the case for the social system in Belgium, the normal taxes use a progressive taxation system: The more you earn, the higher the % that is taken from you. Looking it up for the USA shows the same system, where it's clear that big earners are taxed really low. As the USA houses quite some of these huge earners, adding another tax bracket (to the highest class) would generate quite a bit extra tax income.


But it doesn't happen, does it

Well he doesn't talk, he only says. No arguments, max conviction = quite fundamentalistic


All that said, I think the big discussion has somewhat ended.
I am afraid that McCain will win only because of conservatists who group up behind him, and I'm afraid if Obama wins it's not that much better.
Needless to say that the style propaganda is really infantile, and it's hard to believe these people are actually aiming for presidentship. It's as if it's a competition for coolest cowboy of the world.

Argh, I'll get that Osama... If I have to I'll follow him to the gates of hell to bring him to justice!
Oh right McCain... So YOU will follow him to the gates of hell, and YOU will bring him to justice? Great. You'll become a legend, in the far west perhaps.
I can't wait actually for the stupid things the next president is going to say and do... Bush was really hilarious, half cowboy half clownboy. Clinton was kind of serious, more like a real president.

SpoonMan999

[/quote]The rich do get taxed a higher % and Obama wants to increase that. You shouldn't be punished for being succesful. What we should do is start charging companies who make their goods elsewhere and then import them into the US and claim to be an American company.

Not always, but the oppertunity is there.

He's not the brightest bulb in the box.

Conservatives, myself included, are actually upset about McCain getting the nomination.

Clinton was a joke, he had no respect for the office or the people. He got caught in a lie and was impeached on top of that. He was a terrible president, even had the oppurtunity to take down Osama AND Saddam years ago and didn't.

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Just for the record under the Bush tax cuts, the ones Democrats want to demolish, the IRS has had record tax intake quarter after quarter.

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Owned...

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Determinado

Sure, perhaps up to now. Because the tax cuts aren't fully in place until 2010.

Check out the graphs at this site:
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis

The tax cut costed them $167 billion this year, and in 2010 it will cost them... $1323 billion. How clever to let the biggest effect come in action when you're already expresident.

And how is it fair that the rich get these silly tax cuts? Do they need $477 billion more every year to survive? How is it possible that a government can take such an action, taking $20 billion less from the poor, but an insane $477.

It's quite clear who will carry the costs of these tax cuts: the poor.
I do hope they demolish these kind of tax cuts immediately yes.

SpoonMan999

The idea behind the cuts is that saving big business' money will mean higher profits. Higher profits for the company typically means bonuses for workers and fewer lay-offs.

Also, the poor wont carry the weight. Even with the tax cuts the rich in this country make up over 70% of the country's budget in taxes.

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There's simply people in the US who are TOO rich.
There's no point in cutting taxes where it doesn't even matter for the one that benefits from it. The only reason why they would want a tax cut, is because they have an infinite greed.

Do you have any idea what earning less than $20000 means, and what earning more than $518000 means?
It's just rediculous and something the elite should be very ashamed of. There's people that earn more in one year than a poor man can earn in his whole life.

It's like you're "you can't punish people for being rich", and if you compare it a bit it kind of means "let's not take care of the poor, it's their own fault they're poor".
The American Dream is a dream. Just look at the whole Bush family. His grandf