Bush Cheats yet again - Remake of 2000

**Nubli** · 11-05-2004, 02:35 AM

Well I'm sure many people know about what happened to many minority voters in Florida of the 2000 election. Well, it has happened yet again, this time in Ohio.

Now before all you Bush Voters jump down my throat and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, hear me out first.

Now, my mom is a major political nut, has been for many years. She has been following politics since about the late 90's, and much moreso since 2000. She has found out the deepest and most suppressed information about Bush and his 'misleadings.' Now the only reason why nobody ever hears about it on TV is because the 5 mainstream news companies are all huge republican supporters, so obviously any information about this type of thing would be suppressed until well into Bush's second term.

So basically, Bush stole Ohio. Everybody knew it was going to be a major decision. Now I don't know the full details about this, but I will give you a link to the article from which I am reading at the moment. And spoonman, please don't go off on another tangent saying, "Oh that site is so left winged liberal crap, I don't know whether to laugh or cry."

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-38.htm

Read the entire article, I know it's long, but just do it. Go to each link shown there (blue lettered usually and underlined, etc.) and tell me what you think about it.

Please take into consideration that any flaming whatsoever will result in deletion of your post and a one-time only warning. Second offense will result in a ban.

Edit: go to http://www.votergate.tv/ and view the movie, or browse around. The movie is 30 minutes long, but I am watching it now.

Edit2: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

**ken2520** · 11-05-2004, 02:42 AM

i just cant belive bush won..

**Skippy** · 11-05-2004, 02:43 AM

Did u hear that msg Asomobenladin had saying if Bush won the election he would attack the USA again?
- Scary i live Near L.A and i c that as being a targeted area

**Nubli** · 11-05-2004, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken2520

i just cant belive bush won..

Technically, he didn't.

**logic.** · 11-05-2004, 02:54 AM

well, he did..

**skidude** · 11-05-2004, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken2520

i just cant belive bush won..

i though bush would have went down easy cause all the stupid stuff he did with war :

**Nubli** · 11-05-2004, 02:58 AM

Kerry was ahead in NUMEROUS polls throughout all the battleground states, yet somehow Bush got more votes... hmm, this makes you think huh? (This problem only occured with the states who have touch screen voting capabilities.) These eVoting machines could easily be hacked into.

**El Matt** · 11-05-2004, 03:02 AM

So evil terrorist hackers invaded the U.S and helped Bush win. Bush got 30/50 states, and won the popular vote. Besides, polls aren't the best thing to judge the election by.

**Silver Ice** · 11-05-2004, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N u b l i

Kerry was ahead in NUMEROUS polls throughout all the battleground states, yet somehow Bush got more votes... hmm, this makes you think huh? (This problem only occured with the states who have touch screen voting capabilities.) These eVoting machines could easily be hacked into.

i wont directly advertise it, but u should see a video on newgrounds concerning the election, it was made a week before the vote and the outcome of the video was same as the outcome of the election... interesting thoughts.... it would be easy to hack into new technology cause thats usually what happens.. i.e 1.10 comming out and ladder accounts were getting hijacked to no end...

**laMe** · 11-05-2004, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N u b l i

Kerry was ahead in NUMEROUS polls throughout all the battleground states, yet somehow Bush got more votes... hmm, this makes you think huh? (This problem only occured with the states who have touch screen voting capabilities.) These eVoting machines could easily be hacked into.

not hacking, its the fact that if you pushed ONE wrong button it would automatically go for republicans, and yes people do get tired at 2 o clock in the morning

**BlindMansTicket** · 11-05-2004, 03:17 AM

That particular Bush isn't a very popular man. It boggles me that he won the presidency TWICE.

**El Matt** · 11-05-2004, 03:18 AM

Seems he was popular enough to win 30 states.

**neurotiK** · 11-05-2004, 03:20 AM

Kerry conceded, and quiters never win :

I think it was a good thing Bush got reelected. It is not the brightest idea to switch all of our entire leadership in the middle of a war.

**El Matt** · 11-05-2004, 03:21 AM

Uh, he conceded because he had no possible chance to win Ohio.

**neurotiK** · 11-05-2004, 03:24 AM

because he got ownzored. Just look at the electoral map. it looks like Kerry only appealed to the super liberal new england area and super liberal west coast(and hawaii, but they dont count). So really nothing changed since 2000. people thought Kerry was going to win over states Gore didnt win because of the war, but it only made Bush more supported in the south, south west, southeast, midwest, and everywhere else. The only place he truly did worse this year than in 200 is D.C.

**El Matt** · 11-05-2004, 03:25 AM

People like war, even if they protest it. People can't resist it, it sucks you in to hear about a war going on.

**Nubli** · 11-05-2004, 04:13 AM

M a t t I am beginning to think you like Bush? Anyways, when you see all that red for Bush, those states go for republicans year after year. But the fact is, votes were changed in Ohio in Bush's favor just enough that it made it seem like Kerry would never win it. When in fact, he did. This might have happened in Florida as well (this year) but nobody will ever pay attention to Florida since Ohio was the deciding factor.

Bush cheated in 2000. The democrats sat on it because they thought it was the will of the American people. Bad mistake.

Bush cheated in 2004. The democrats probably don't know too much about this yet, but by the time they will, it may very well be too late to do anything. Time will tell.

Just look at all the data comparisons between public polls and the actual voting. They just absolutely DO NOT add up. And stated in the www.votergate.tv movie, there are not one, but MANY different ways someone could have hacked into the machine and changed the outcome of the votes without leaving a trace.

Now get this, the company which made these machines, DIEBOLD, is stationed in Ohio. Sickening right? What's even worse is that they won't even comment on it and deny any accusation, but then again, who wouldnt? They are a big company, obviously in favor of Bush and his administration.

**El Matt** · 11-05-2004, 04:16 AM

Ok, so the machine's makers are supposedly Pro-Bush, which automatically makes them cheating in the favor of the Bush administration? So, what you're saying is that if I have a company in Texas that makes ballot machines, and my company favors Kerry, that if Texas goes to Kerry, that we rigged it to happen?

**Nubli** · 11-05-2004, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M a t t

Ok, so the machine's makers are supposedly Pro-Bush, which automatically makes them cheating in the favor of the Bush administration? So, what you're saying is that if I have a company in Texas that makes ballot machines, and my company favors Kerry, that if Texas goes to Kerry, that we rigged it to happen?

Don't be so dense. I never said that because the company was probably Pro-Bush, that they rigged the machines on purpose. What I'm saying is that since these machines were used for every electronic voting station, it is very well possible that the Bush administration bribed in any way/shape/form to get DIEBOLD to rig the machines.

It comes down to this though. The machines were rigged. Maybe some hacker with no life did it. But as of now, all evidence points towards Bush and his administration.

Bush screwed with the election in 2000 in Florida, and he just did it again in Ohio (possibly Florida as well.)

**El Matt** · 11-05-2004, 04:26 AM

It was a hypothetical situation. Trust me, there was a lot more bribes going on then just one ballot machine producing company. Politics, you have to bribe something to get your way. How do you think senators get in to office for their 30th year?

PS. I am not pro-Bush, I just don't understand why people are pointing the blame at the ballot machines again. Besides, if the machines weren't rigged, if they were, and the results were close to the same, it would of gone to the late, or ineligible ballots, where there were about 200,000 of in Ohio. To win the state, and still have a chance in the election, he would have to count out the 40,000 or so that would be not counted. He would have to get 95% of them to win the state.

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11-05-2004, 02:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
Nubli Status: *** Slave Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: California. Posts: 6,691** Credits: 60 Spent time on board: 18:52:07 Hours Rep Power: 18	Well I'm sure many people know about what happened to many minority voters in Florida of the 2000 election. Well, it has happened yet again, this time in Ohio. Now before all you Bush Voters jump down my throat and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, hear me out first. Now, my mom is a major political nut, has been for many years. She has been following politics since about the late 90's, and much moreso since 2000. She has found out the deepest and most suppressed information about Bush and his 'misleadings.' Now the only reason why nobody ever hears about it on TV is because the 5 mainstream news companies are all huge republican supporters, so obviously any information about this type of thing would be suppressed until well into Bush's second term. So basically, Bush stole Ohio. Everybody knew it was going to be a major decision. Now I don't know the full details about this, but I will give you a link to the article from which I am reading at the moment. And spoonman, please don't go off on another tangent saying, "Oh that site is so left winged liberal crap, I don't know whether to laugh or cry." http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-38.htm Read the entire article, I know it's long, but just do it. Go to each link shown there (blue lettered usually and underlined, etc.) and tell me what you think about it. Please take into consideration that any flaming whatsoever will result in deletion of your post and a one-time only warning. Second offense will result in a ban. Edit: go to http://www.votergate.tv/ and view the movie, or browse around. The movie is 30 minutes long, but I am watching it now. Edit2: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

11-05-2004, 02:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
ken2520 Status: Pooned by a Spoon Join Date: May 2004 Location: Richmond, Bc, Posts: 771 Credits: 102 Spent time on board: 1:26:36 Hours Rep Power: 6	i just cant belive bush won..

11-05-2004, 02:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
Skippy Status: Forum Elder Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Califonia Posts: 522 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 5	Did u hear that msg Asomobenladin had saying if Bush won the election he would attack the USA again? - Scary i live Near L.A and i c that as being a targeted area

11-05-2004, 02:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
logic. Status: Greasy goose #6 Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,983 Credits: 20 Spent time on board: 1 Day and 6:41:15 Hours Rep Power: 8	well, he did..

11-05-2004, 02:58 AM	#7 (permalink)
Nubli Status: *** Slave Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: California. Posts: 6,691** Credits: 60 Spent time on board: 18:52:07 Hours Rep Power: 18	Kerry was ahead in NUMEROUS polls throughout all the battleground states, yet somehow Bush got more votes... hmm, this makes you think huh? (This problem only occured with the states who have touch screen voting capabilities.) These eVoting machines could easily be hacked into.

11-05-2004, 03:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
El Matt Status: *** Ancient Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 961** Credits: 28 Spent time on board: 20:42:04 Hours Rep Power: 6	So evil terrorist hackers invaded the U.S and helped Bush win. Bush got 30/50 states, and won the popular vote. Besides, polls aren't the best thing to judge the election by.

11-05-2004, 03:17 AM	#11 (permalink)
BlindMansTicket Status: OH LAWWDY Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,788 Credits: 37 Spent time on board: 7:38:04 Hours Rep Power: 10	That particular Bush isn't a very popular man. It boggles me that he won the presidency TWICE.

11-05-2004, 03:18 AM	#12 (permalink)
El Matt Status: *** Ancient Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 961** Credits: 28 Spent time on board: 20:42:04 Hours Rep Power: 6	Seems he was popular enough to win 30 states.

11-05-2004, 03:20 AM	#13 (permalink)
neurotiK Status: Veteran Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: USWEST Posts: 419 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: 0:03:21 Hours Rep Power: 5	Kerry conceded, and quiters never win : I think it was a good thing Bush got reelected. It is not the brightest idea to switch all of our entire leadership in the middle of a war.

11-05-2004, 03:21 AM	#14 (permalink)
El Matt Status: *** Ancient Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 961** Credits: 28 Spent time on board: 20:42:04 Hours Rep Power: 6	Uh, he conceded because he had no possible chance to win Ohio.

11-05-2004, 03:24 AM	#15 (permalink)
neurotiK Status: Veteran Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: USWEST Posts: 419 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: 0:03:21 Hours Rep Power: 5	because he got ownzored. Just look at the electoral map. it looks like Kerry only appealed to the super liberal new england area and super liberal west coast(and hawaii, but they dont count). So really nothing changed since 2000. people thought Kerry was going to win over states Gore didnt win because of the war, but it only made Bush more supported in the south, south west, southeast, midwest, and everywhere else. The only place he truly did worse this year than in 200 is D.C.

11-05-2004, 03:25 AM	#16 (permalink)
El Matt Status: *** Ancient Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 961** Credits: 28 Spent time on board: 20:42:04 Hours Rep Power: 6	People like war, even if they protest it. People can't resist it, it sucks you in to hear about a war going on.

11-05-2004, 04:13 AM	#17 (permalink)
Nubli Status: *** Slave Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: California. Posts: 6,691** Credits: 60 Spent time on board: 18:52:07 Hours Rep Power: 18	M a t t I am beginning to think you like Bush? Anyways, when you see all that red for Bush, those states go for republicans year after year. But the fact is, votes were changed in Ohio in Bush's favor just enough that it made it seem like Kerry would never win it. When in fact, he did. This might have happened in Florida as well (this year) but nobody will ever pay attention to Florida since Ohio was the deciding factor. Bush cheated in 2000. The democrats sat on it because they thought it was the will of the American people. Bad mistake. Bush cheated in 2004. The democrats probably don't know too much about this yet, but by the time they will, it may very well be too late to do anything. Time will tell. Just look at all the data comparisons between public polls and the actual voting. They just absolutely DO NOT add up. And stated in the www.votergate.tv movie, there are not one, but MANY different ways someone could have hacked into the machine and changed the outcome of the votes without leaving a trace. Now get this, the company which made these machines, DIEBOLD, is stationed in Ohio. Sickening right? What's even worse is that they won't even comment on it and deny any accusation, but then again, who wouldnt? They are a big company, obviously in favor of Bush and his administration.

11-05-2004, 04:16 AM	#18 (permalink)
El Matt Status: *** Ancient Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 961** Credits: 28 Spent time on board: 20:42:04 Hours Rep Power: 6	Ok, so the machine's makers are supposedly Pro-Bush, which automatically makes them cheating in the favor of the Bush administration? So, what you're saying is that if I have a company in Texas that makes ballot machines, and my company favors Kerry, that if Texas goes to Kerry, that we rigged it to happen?

11-05-2004, 04:26 AM	#20 (permalink)
El Matt Status: *** Ancient Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 961** Credits: 28 Spent time on board: 20:42:04 Hours Rep Power: 6	It was a hypothetical situation. Trust me, there was a lot more bribes going on then just one ballot machine producing company. Politics, you have to bribe something to get your way. How do you think senators get in to office for their 30th year? PS. I am not pro-Bush, I just don't understand why people are pointing the blame at the ballot machines again. Besides, if the machines weren't rigged, if they were, and the results were close to the same, it would of gone to the late, or ineligible ballots, where there were about 200,000 of in Ohio. To win the state, and still have a chance in the election, he would have to count out the 40,000 or so that would be not counted. He would have to get 95% of them to win the state.