What is the most destructive and powerfull pvm class and build? - Page 3 - Blizzard Sector

**SilverZX** · 11-17-2004, 05:40 PM

wow cyber, well done man, I mean you managed to restate the same thing I said in my message. Don't be one of those guys who attempts to make intelligent critical replies but is too impatient to read the entire damn post. Holy shit I've got to go punch a woman or something to get my anger out.

I already admitted to cold immune. However, there was no mention that the crowds we were controlling were cold immune, therefore I assume they weren't, so my point stands. I'm glad you love both your characters, but never be an analyst.

**MonkeyXT** · 11-17-2004, 05:55 PM

Every type has its weakness/flaw...just depends which one you want

**PanZer** · 11-17-2004, 06:05 PM

Hammerdins are great sure, but what happens when u hit the tunnels? Hammers hit walls and you get screwed :P

**SilverZX** · 11-17-2004, 06:28 PM

lol ...Good point! Didn't even think of that. Kudos Skippy :) on not being an idiot! You too monkey!

**Silver Ice** · 11-17-2004, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by medicine_man

'Sorry to say it but this one isn't an opinion. The most potential is a blizzard sorceress, if you disagree, you're wrong, that simple. Sorry, nice try, play again next time.'

Hmm... Ok. Let's see here.

1.) Hammers can pump nearly 3 times the damage a Bliz sorc can.
2.) Nothing is immune to a hammer.
3.) Hammers have a greater area of effect, hammerdins have higher resists, life, block percentage, and defense, and if something tries to melee you, it's dead before it gets there.

1, 2, 3 strikes, you're out. Why do you think you see so many more Hammerdins rushing Hell than Bliz sorcs? Chill out, this isn't flame wars. Read some rules.

so hammerdins can do almost 3x the dmg a blizz sorc can.... last time i checked a blizz sorc can do a max of 17k.... now a hammer goes up to around 15k, 16k if u got a shrine on......... blizz also has mastery and usually people can get it to 200%(3x) the dmg, making a blizz sorc do 51k.... now if 51,000 dmg hits you 3x vs 15k hitting you 3x.... which one will kill you faster?

2. yeah nothing is immune to a hammer... this is a bug..... a bug.. i tell you horadrim ancients (act5 baals minions act2) will die from hammers because its a bug.

3. hammers have a greater area of effect if they hit u the first try.. a hammer flys in an arc. a blizz hits an area..... blizz hurts more and hits better.... hammers dont... blizz sorcs also are faster and can teleport to several places without having to use mana potions.. as for cold immunes... no boss is cold immune, and the ones that get in the way, just use a merc.

**Dynafrom** · 11-17-2004, 09:19 PM

bs silver i killed u with my hammerdin remember

and btw hammerdins kill spell casters with stray hammers :)

**smirk_zero** · 11-18-2004, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by silver_ice1212

so hammerdins can do almost 3x the dmg a blizz sorc can.... last time i checked a blizz sorc can do a max of 17k.... now a hammer goes up to around 15k, 16k if u got a shrine on......... blizz also has mastery and usually people can get it to 200%(3x) the dmg, making a blizz sorc do 51k.... now if 51,000 dmg hits you 3x vs 15k hitting you 3x.... which one will kill you faster?

2. yeah nothing is immune to a hammer... this is a bug..... a bug.. i tell you horadrim ancients (act5 baals minions act2) will die from hammers because its a bug.

3. hammers have a greater area of effect if they hit u the first try.. a hammer flys in an arc. a blizz hits an area..... blizz hurts more and hits better.... hammers dont... blizz sorcs also are faster and can teleport to several places without having to use mana potions.. as for cold immunes... no boss is cold immune, and the ones that get in the way, just use a merc.

i gotta agree with u and the Silverxp but.. still.. i think hammerdins are the best rushers easily.. and when it comes to pvm. what else do u really do??? i guess there is mf.. but everyone knows sorcs own mf..

so at the end of the day.. i would rather a hammer pally...

**SilverZX** · 11-18-2004, 10:43 AM

the Silverxp? It's ZX ***

lol.

**Narzul** · 11-18-2004, 02:25 PM

Well i come to my mind, after all the debate i saw about bliizzy and hammy, i decide to made them both of them and get them to 60 then il check with one il level after, thx a lot everyone for help ^^

**Silver Ice** · 11-18-2004, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BurNin_RaVe

bs silver i killed u with my hammerdin remember

and btw hammerdins kill spell casters with stray hammers :)

yeah but u dont really duel properly... if i wanted to win i wouldn't have chased after you

**SilverZX** · 11-18-2004, 10:34 PM

I think I'd go along with that. I wouldn't have either. Hammerdins and blizzard sorceresses share the same flaw with dueling...and that flaw is that we both blow at it, lol.

**Dark_Convictor** · 11-19-2004, 12:31 AM

best in my opinion is probably hammerdin, zealer, hurricane druid, and finally a javazon. these are the best classes in my opinion. javazon is the best 4 takin care of cows i mean doin a cow run in 5 mins killin every cow on hell woth 7 other players is sweet.

**SilverZX** · 11-19-2004, 11:33 AM

hm, you have an interesting point. First off I have every class you mentioned, and I can see where people think hammerdin is real good, but for the record, it's not a zealer or hurricane druid.

Though I do not have a javazon and if they are anything like they use to be, they're really good. They may very well be the best...

**k_dash22** · 11-23-2004, 12:52 PM

zooncero. having upto 40 minions at your bidding. Even lag wont stop you.

**medicine_man** · 11-24-2004, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverZX

HA! Finally!

Been tryin to get one of you pussies to stand up and argue with me.

Rushing is not crowd control. Rushing is a great way to determine how good of a "all around" character you are. Yes, hammers fire off 3x as fast...welll, oops, since a blizzard usually hits 3x before the hammer gets to it's target (assuming you're not standing on top of your enemy) and my hammer does 14k, my blizzard does 4k...if you include cold mastery every monsters resistance is down to -100 which means that the blizzard will actually hit them for somewhere in the area of 8-9k. and unless you're RIGHT on top of them, it will take your hammer 2-3 seconds to reach your target, by which my blizzard has hit them 1-2 times. So on average it's hit them 1.5 (I just know I'm going to get somebody saying WTF?! HOW CAN A BLIZZARD HIT 1.5X?!). Therefore I do more damage AND am more relaible.

Yes, I have a hammerdin, level 80, 12k hammer damage. I have all the "1337" equipment and all and I can use him effectively as anyone. The problem is that the technique itself isn't very reliable. The reason you see hammerdins rushing them is because it is easier to max a paladins resists than it is a sorceress and because of the immunities.

Hammers have a greater area of effect, hammerdins have higher resists, life, block percentage, and defense, and if something tries to melee you, it's dead before it gets there.

hmmm, higher resists, no contest there, absolutely right.
Life, yup, they do.
Block percentange, again no contest.
defense...yup
melee attempts....wrong, it COULD be dead, but it's doubtful..so you're saying if diablo tries to melee you he'll be dead before he gets there? No, he won't, all be it hammerdins rape the shit out of bosses, he would get a hit off, so your statement is not absolute and as such is an untrue generalization to make.

oh wait! I just realized something everything you listed besides the melee attempt(which we already proved to be untrue)....in a DEFENSIVE property, since DEFENSE has so much to do with crowd control. Therefore all 3 of your pitches were nowhere in the ball park and since you threw 4 counting that last statement, I guess I get to take my base. I love baseball anologies! You too?

Flame wars? I wasn't flaming anyone, simply stating an observation proven factual.

So like I said, hammerdins are by far the best rushers. Only bad thing about it? This topic wasn't about WHO IS THE BEST RUSHER. This top was about crowd control, in which the blizzard has no equal at this point in time.

What's this mean? Pitcher got line drived in the throat?

FRIENDLIER NOTE:
Chill

I just wanted to spark an argument with someone. We didn't define what "better" meant. I was interpreting better to be kill-rate, which I'm right, no hammerdin equals a blizzard sorceress assuming equal levels of skills and stats. However, hammerdins don't have an equal when it comes to an all around character, they have tons of offense, tons of defense, tons of resists and are hard as hell to kill. So depending on your interpretation of "better"...you could have been right. No worries =].

For the record, I hate that wink face that the forum uses, lol. It's more like an eyebrow raising face...like you're flirting.

Almost forgot about this thread. Didn't think you'd respond.

What is the most destructive and powerful PvM class and build?

Hammerdin hands down. There are many more cold immunes than there are non-undead magic immunes. If you face a cold immune, let alone a pack of them like the Enslaveds around Shenk (the Overseer), you lose your power and destruction. So you have a Godly merc. You lose your area of effect. Not destructive.

P.S. |)!4|3L0 L4c|<5 73h ub3|2 g0dly h!7 r3c0v3ry - 7h47 **** d!35 b3f0r3 h3 c4n 4774ck... Also, with your huge resistances and defense on your Hammerdin, Diablo's attacks will most likely not be strong enough to kill you.

...Just cause you commented on it.

Annoying yet?! HUH?!

BWAHAHA!!

EDIT: The word noo -- you know what I mean -- was sensored in my 1337 5p34k.

**Stalker7d7** · 11-24-2004, 04:01 AM

i would say a blizz sorc is the best, i kill meph is 2-4 hits with mine (;

**SilverZX** · 11-24-2004, 06:01 AM

Everyone keeps bringing in resists, etc in this...the hell? DESTRUCTIVE not well-rounded. Yes hammerdins are all around a better class due to their ability to cope with anything due to the magic immunity glitch...however in terms of pure destruction it's a sorc. Resists...called chains of honor bro easily maxes them. I could make a sorc easily with max resists and lose no skills. Yes, well rounded hammerdins are better, however in terms of pure death, still can't contend with the sorc.

**A|fzZz** · 11-24-2004, 09:44 AM

IMO...hurricane druid rox...[after seein the celestials =p]
with a doom..its darn good...

**ig0tfish** · 11-24-2004, 03:17 PM

probably a ww barb would be pretty good and also an orb sorc

**SilverZX** · 11-24-2004, 07:07 PM

Hmmm, I imagine that hurricane would be *****in' at higher levels...

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11-17-2004, 05:40 PM	#41 (permalink)
SilverZX Status: Veteran Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 127 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 5	wow cyber, well done man, I mean you managed to restate the same thing I said in my message. Don't be one of those guys who attempts to make intelligent critical replies but is too impatient to read the entire damn post. Holy shit I've got to go punch a woman or something to get my anger out. I already admitted to cold immune. However, there was no mention that the crowds we were controlling were cold immune, therefore I assume they weren't, so my point stands. I'm glad you love both your characters, but never be an analyst.

11-17-2004, 05:55 PM	#42 (permalink)
MonkeyXT Status: Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 78 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 5	Every type has its weakness/flaw...just depends which one you want

11-17-2004, 06:05 PM	#43 (permalink)
PanZer Status: \|n$a\|\\|e \|)raG0n Join Date: May 2004 Location: Belly of the Beast Posts: 706 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 150 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 6	Hammerdins are great sure, but what happens when u hit the tunnels? Hammers hit walls and you get screwed :P

11-17-2004, 06:28 PM	#44 (permalink)
SilverZX Status: Veteran Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 127 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 5	lol ...Good point! Didn't even think of that. Kudos Skippy :) on not being an idiot! You too monkey!

11-17-2004, 09:19 PM	#46 (permalink)
Dynafrom Status: The Immortals Join Date: May 2004 Location: Markham, ONT Posts: 3,549 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 15 Spent time on board: 0:34:09 Hours Rep Power: 12	bs silver i killed u with my hammerdin remember and btw hammerdins kill spell casters with stray hammers :)

11-18-2004, 10:43 AM	#48 (permalink)
SilverZX Status: Veteran Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 127 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 5	the Silverxp? It's ZX *** lol.

11-18-2004, 02:25 PM	#49 (permalink)
Narzul Status: Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 54 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: 0:13:29 Hours Rep Power: 5	Well i come to my mind, after all the debate i saw about bliizzy and hammy, i decide to made them both of them and get them to 60 then il check with one il level after, thx a lot everyone for help ^^

11-18-2004, 10:34 PM	#51 (permalink)
SilverZX Status: Veteran Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 127 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 5	I think I'd go along with that. I wouldn't have either. Hammerdins and blizzard sorceresses share the same flaw with dueling...and that flaw is that we both blow at it, lol.

11-19-2004, 12:31 AM	#52 (permalink)
Dark_Convictor Status: Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Meh! Posts: 266 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 5	best in my opinion is probably hammerdin, zealer, hurricane druid, and finally a javazon. these are the best classes in my opinion. javazon is the best 4 takin care of cows i mean doin a cow run in 5 mins killin every cow on hell woth 7 other players is sweet.

11-19-2004, 11:33 AM	#53 (permalink)
SilverZX Status: Veteran Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 127 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 5	hm, you have an interesting point. First off I have every class you mentioned, and I can see where people think hammerdin is real good, but for the record, it's not a zealer or hurricane druid. Though I do not have a javazon and if they are anything like they use to be, they're really good. They may very well be the best...

11-23-2004, 12:52 PM	#54 (permalink)
k_dash22 Status: Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 158 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 150 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 5	zooncero. having upto 40 minions at your bidding. Even lag wont stop you.

11-24-2004, 04:01 AM	#56 (permalink)
Stalker7d7 Status: Veteran Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 153 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 34 Spent time on board: 0:51:01 Hours Rep Power: 5	i would say a blizz sorc is the best, i kill meph is 2-4 hits with mine (;

11-24-2004, 06:01 AM	#57 (permalink)
SilverZX Status: Veteran Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 127 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 5	Everyone keeps bringing in resists, etc in this...the hell? DESTRUCTIVE not well-rounded. Yes hammerdins are all around a better class due to their ability to cope with anything due to the magic immunity glitch...however in terms of pure destruction it's a sorc. Resists...called chains of honor bro easily maxes them. I could make a sorc easily with max resists and lose no skills. Yes, well rounded hammerdins are better, however in terms of pure death, still can't contend with the sorc.

11-24-2004, 09:44 AM	#58 (permalink)
A\|fzZz Status: Retired S.Mod Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,900 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 33 Spent time on board: 20:04:39 Hours Rep Power: 20	IMO...hurricane druid rox...[after seein the celestials =p] with a doom..its darn good...

11-24-2004, 03:17 PM	#59 (permalink)
ig0tfish Status: Veteran Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Den of Evil Posts: 187 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 154 Spent time on board: 2:33:08 Hours Rep Power: 5	probably a ww barb would be pretty good and also an orb sorc

11-24-2004, 07:07 PM	#60 (permalink)
SilverZX Status: Veteran Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 127 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournament Wins: 0 Credits: 0 Spent time on board: - Rep Power: 5	Hmmm, I imagine that hurricane would be *****in' at higher levels...