eskimo

Ok i used to be a top bvber on west nl so il write a little guide on it this is just my idea's and most are proven effective,
Armr:Perfect life archon resis doesent matter much/sacred fort's arent bad but they require to much str in my oppinion
Gloves:Steel rends need atleast 20 str on them and atleast 50 ed
Boots: Up'd Gores
Rings: 2x angelic rings
Ammy:Angelic Ammy ]-these 2 if you dont know give huge ar bonus' together if your a decent lvl 85+atleast 1k ar per ring
Belt:As high as possible dungo
Helm: Arreat's with 40/15 max dmg jewel or 40/15 ias jewel
Shld:Ber'd SS
Wep: Grief Beserker axe with atleast 34 ias (due to breakpint you wont get full ww affect if you dont meet it) and atleast 377 dmg (if you cant afford than a high ebotdz)
Switch:2x Wc wep's (any will work) Hoto's are what id use due to fcr somtimes you need to be fast.
Inventory:
20/xx barb torch
20/xx anni
and you have many ways to go with charms they are the most important part of the bvb build
37x 3/20/20's are very effective
But if your a little bit broke after buying all that gear barb mastry gc's work as well.
Stats:
Str: str when your done with it should be around 75-100 depending on gear choice
Dex: Just enouf for max block
Vita: the rest
Energy:None
Skills:
Max the following:
WW
Shout
Battle orders
Axe mastry
Put all the remaining points into Iron skin or natural resistance if you wish.

And put ONLY 1 point into battle command ONLY to boost Shout and Battle Orders!

Keep in mind with bvb the most important factors are Ar and Def. You need atleast 15k def to do any good in bvb.

Leave feedback plz

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Darksin

You said to put a Ber in the SS? SS is 35%DR and P dungos is 15%DR. So wouldnt putting a ber in the SS be kinda redundent since max DR is 50%???

I just think that there are better things to put in a SS than a ber if you are planning to wear dungos.

PoTatoes

yah this guide still needs work, because like darksin said 50dr is the max (or 75 i forgot -_-) maybe you could put an ias/ed jewel or even an um in the ss.

but overall, it would be probably a pretty good bvb. hope to see you make a bvc guide :)

Joshy

The charms are right but the gear isn't very good.

Darksin

DR is capped at 50%.
Heres the link:http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/bas...istances.shtml
It 1/4 down the page under "Physical Resistance"

L4E

also im guessing this is a pure WW barb, so that would mean any ias from any of ur equipment is useless, except ur weapon. So dont bother mentionning a 40/15 ias..

the rest seems well in place from what i see. And it is very true that charms are the most important part of a bvb

and to confirm for a third time :) 50% dr is the cap in pvp

eskimo

Ok, first thing out the ber in the ss to make sure you hit bp not all dungo's are 15 dr so make it a sure fire by putting a ber in ss second, The gear is all balanced look at all the gg bvb's il bet money on thats what they ware i know for a fact because i pk with most of them third. you dont need resis in bvb people dont use element's or poison(gm people ne way) so whats the point of um? forth and fianly im not a dee dee dee i know bp's darksin -.-

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Yes very true but people still put them in...i guess for the ed? im not sure myself

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Espada

If your gonna bvb try using coa instead

Darksin

First, I didnt show you any disrespect so, why are you doing it to me. I was simply asking why? I just think that are other things that could be more beneficial to the character rather than a ber rune in the SS.

Second, i know that not all dungos come with 15%DR but, if you put a ber in the SS because you dont have a P dungos then later on get a P dungos......you not only have waisted a ber rune but the socket its in is now useless until you unsocket it. i know it can be unsocketed but its still a waisted ber.

Last, DR is not a BP its a cap so, please stop calling it a BP. You dont get any extra bonus from having a full 50%DR as opposed to 49% or 47% or even 13%. The only diffence between 49%DR and 50%DR is 1%.

Bartender

Bvbs aren't very good.

Joshy

...Bvbs are for killing barbs hence the name there not very good for anything else.

eskimo

Coa is for bvc :)

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My bad if it came out as disrespect i diddnt mean for it to sound that way.....

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Darksin

Np Man its cool. I know its kinda hard to tell emotions over forums. Im just not one for confrontations thats all. Everthing is cool though.

FraterPerdurabo

eskimo, your build is a ****ing joke, and if you were the best BvB on your realm, then your realm's a joke as well. Now:
Steelrends - wtf? All BvBs use Dracul's. OW and +STR are 10x better than any mods on Steelrends, they don't require half as much STR and they help to give extra +STR for your armor, therefore more VIT. I cannot possibly imagine any BvB using Steelrends.
Stormshield Ber - lol. Use 40%ed +30 maxdam , or Eld, or rare jewel with ed% and +DEX +STR
Helm: Should be ebug Arreat Zod with 700+def.
Weapon: Grief is a good choice, but Fury is an excellent alternative.

3/20/20s are for BvCs, BvBs use Combat skillers +45 lifers, for bonus to Mastery and Iron Skin.

Natural Resistance is also not required, everything else goes into Iron Skin, and also you need some in FRW skill.

BvB is 90% gear 10% skill. With that gear, I coudn't possibly see you be the best, or is it because no-one can duel on your realm?

Darksin

...........ouch. You just got Fratered man.

crimson-tide

Newbest guide ever, no alternative gear choices........ SS in ber wtf u newb 35 from ss w/o ber, 10 lowest on dungos and 7 dr on fort, u say u were the best on uswest, ur a joke man, u dont even know what u have on you gear,

in ss and arreats put more meaning ful things like jah, or cham and a 40/15 max jewel,

ok newb, 15k def? u will get eaten up alive , imo any decent barb will have 15k ar u have on 15k def? wtf ur gonna be hit jsut about every ww,

you obivously know very little about bvb's as almost everyone has stated you only get the ias from ur weapon,

fraterperdurabo

you obivously dont know what you are looking at, dracs instead of rends?
this is a pure damage bvb, there are to types of bvbs really damage ones, and the dot 1's or as you know them ow's with posion,

yes dracs is a good option for this build if ur making a hybrid, also, ss takes 156 or 154 i forget and im to lazy to look, plus the 30 strg that you get from the ss itself you will easily have enough strg for rends, also you use mastrey gcs not combat skill gcs, wtf are you talking about check what your typing before you submit it....

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also i would personally max iron skin aswell, if you are a prebuff barb like i am , you wont get as much if u max shout as you would as you max iron skin, the only bonus to maxing shout if you are a prebuff barb is it will increase your bezerk damage....

eskimo

First of all your a ****ing joke you dont know what you are talking about and f you dont belive i was one of the top bvb's on my realm go to ********com/ggbvb
Second of all Steelrend's are for bvb they give gg str ed and crushing blow , and life tap is considered bad mannered in bvb so go crawl under a rock like you have been since .09.... fianly 3/20/20 are for bvb, the most important points of bvb is attack rating life defense and fianly dmg and 3/20/20's give almsot each of those element's ask any of the bvb's on uswest you will find out.....and mastry's are for your mastry and iron skin like i said def is one of the main point's in bvb so check your shit before you post it

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Pre.buff=nooblet get your shit straight also read the post i said i WAS ONE OF the top bvb's not AM THE TOP BVB so stop putting word's in my post read it b4 you assume i agree with you partly max iron skin and msg me or my friend and we will see who gets eaten alive /w *godly-pker /w *whitespade

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crimson-tide

eskimo i would glady like to duel you and glady duel you, but im useast nl and you newb, u obivously you dont know anything, life tap wont go off in WW you newb. talking about me to get my shit straight you dont know anything about your class that you are playing

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also, eskimo you dont know anyhting about the 2 types of ww barbs, there are the damage ones, like u listed and their are the OW ones, thats why he listed use dracs they give OW's which is killer if 2 bvbs are fighting each other, cause for the most part, 2 good geared and skilled bvb barbs wont hit each other all taht often, OW's mixed with posion, is just as good as a damage bvb barb if not better. imo u really dont know much about the different types of bvb barbs, plz learn the char before u post about which is better, i would say either way, ive used both no my barbdracs is great if ur fighting bvb but then again its how you play , right now im using rends for more damage, but i do agree dracs is an awesome 2nd or ever the best bet to go with, so learn more about the bvb before you post which gloves are better, and learn wat is on your gear, before you tell someone to soc their ss with a ber

FraterPerdurabo

I didn't come in flaming you, but the other noob, anyway, if you want to keep this going, be my guest. Anyway, you are correct on Mastery GCs, I was out of it when typing last time, so I wrote combat instead of mastery.

You don't need STR from SS to equip Steelrends, you need the STR from Dracul's to equip SS.

Yes, there indeed are 2 kinds of WW barbs, the pure damage ones and the OW ones, but in my opinion, a OW one will beat a pure damage WW one any day. +STR really does not add a lot of damage.

I have been away from my computer and Diablo for ages, just moved into a new apartment and started uni, but if I remember correctly, then: Grief + Dracul's:
200 STR
~600%ed from Mastery and WW skill (little higher mastery due to the GCs)
(48x1.15+400)x(2+6+1)=4097, after PvP penalty and full DR% = 348 dam per hit

Now, if we had instead more points in STR, let's say 300 with all gear, and used perf Steelrends:
(48x1.15+400)x(3+6+1+0.6)=4825, after PvP penalty and full DR% = 410 dam per hit.

It is up to you which one you go for, just remember that in BvB you hit very rarely, so I prefer relying on OW instead of raw damage. With Steelrends, you will need to put more points into STR, therefore you have less life. 25% OW on Dracul's is far more efficient than the 10% CB on Steelrends, especially since the effectiveness of CB is greatly reduced if the opponent has low life. IMO, Dracul's > Rends by far, then again it's up to you how you build your char (or **** it up).

You really are a freaking tard, are you not?
1) Life Tap is not triggered during WW. Or do you guys do BvB with Frenzy? LOL.
2) You said: If damage is the least important, then why do you go for Steelrends? The irony hurts like hell, *****.
3) Yes, defense is extremely important, as is mastery and that's exactly why you use masteries skillers, not 3/20/20s, dipshit. Seriously, stop being such a joke. I wish I played West, I'd tear you apart with by bvc lol.

crimson-tide

frater srry to sound like im flaming you, i was just stating that he has a pure damage bvb listed and you have an ow option/defensive option as i hear it sometimes, i do like the combo of drasc and fort or rends and duress
ur right about equiping the ss, i use botd, just because of all the strg, imo i think you end up with 180 or so strg if using grief or 190, i use botd and have 220 strg, so with grief it would be 190
ive actually have been using ur post from eariler as help, ive been trying out different setups with ows and ur correct they both work well, but i think a hybrid in the end is better, sometimes you do need damage to take them up but then ago its all about who can outlive the person the longest, with open wounds i think im killing them faster then my fort/rends combo vs duress/dracs both setups do work great
i dont have alot of strg unless i were to use engima, whihc i really dont, ty for the info though :)

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oo ya when cb goes off it takes away 1/10 the persons life :)

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im also nl grief, is an option for me, but its cheaper to get a perf ebotdcb or ebotdz i went with the ebotdcb for the sexy look :) but fury and grief are also some o fthe best choices out there
once again srry for flaming you i was actually flaming eskimo, cause i really dont see how he could claim to be one of the top bvbers on uswest if he doesnt know that life tap cant go off in ww