In the end, all you really know is yourself. True, you may have questions, but unless before you die you have an epiffeny and become a collective consious of the world, become a multi-adaptive entity and become as god himself, you cannot truly know him. True, the book of the bible was written by man, and was directed by what they believed was god, and thus it was written so. But look at what science has uncovered. The 'evolution' track has a giant gap inbetween the pre and the pro of what was figured as the first man. In my own opinion, couldnt have both tracks happen at the same time? The bible says that the daughters of men and the sons of god populated the earth {or however as it goes}. What if the decendants of Adam&Eve had came across a previous tribe of 'humans' who were extremely similar to us? What if there were two different species of 'human' once? The ones who adapted through the cold climates of the north {and would become the vikings}, and the ones of the south, who were the decendants of Adam? Think: Tower of Babel. When God separated the tribes and changed their tongues, couldn't that have been the bridge of 'human' {adam}, and 'human' {evolution}?
I believe in God, but unless he comes to every human at once and announces " I exist. I am the Omega, the Alpha, and the I Am", then we won't truly know. Its not believing in something that has no structure or any meanings, its just what sounds most logical. I personally don't like bible thumpers, and i live and let live. Wow, what a rant. lol. hope you don't get bored reading it. =/

I agree that creation,and therefore "A Higher Power" is much more logical than the accepted evolution theories.But as Ruin-Tumult said,we wont know till we die.

I believe in God because, well, a part of it is because that I was brought up around it.
The second would be after hearing the preachings that I believe in God. I have faith in him and that he is there.

I got an unbreakable will.
And if God inspired a lot of men to right parts of the bible and put them in one book, I'm sure God could inspire some people to stop the publishing of a so called new chapter thats bogus.

Amen. I agree with you on that one, Bluebleeder.

It iS pointless Beliving in somethg such as a ''higher power'' when thats impossable all logic proves it also it was made by men... and they lived in the desert so.. they could of been crazy men that wrote the bible.

yet its illogical that logic explains out existance by a group of particles from nowhere exploding, creating the world as we know it, and gathering the necessary ingredients we need to survive. Its also illogical that we evolved from sea creatures, yet whales evolved from land mammals. Wouldn't that have been a degrade? Having legs and being able to transverse between land & water is better than 100% water habitation.

existance exists because it always existed

Spirituality only works on oneself, imposing it on others never works.

But if god created the world where did he come from? Was he here for an eternity and just got lonely? Another thing, according to the bible, he spoke to people all the time. Now if you ask me the world in the time of the bible was a horrible place to live but nowhere near as wicked as the world we are in today. Why would he not let his presence be known? That is all it would take to turn the world around. Sure there would be alot of people that denied him even then, but a majority of people would turn to him and live the life. It just seems sadistic for him to sit back and watch the chaos, which he knew was going to happen, when all has to do is snap his fingers to rectify it.

Lol, well, No matter what i say, you'r opinion won't be changed. Neither path is logical from a logical standpoint. Well, this'll be my last post in this thread, since i've said what i needed to. Lol, have fun debating logics.

But logic doesnt really support the bible per se. It supports science more. As to a higher power, there very well may be one. It does seem all too convenient that all these atoms infused with one another to create life, so that is a plausible explaination to our creation. Until science can produce a better answer to that question if it ever does.

I've always thought that why my might not even have a small number of gods, IE the currently "recognised" ones.
Maybe there is one for each person.
I'm a skeptic however when it comes to religion at all.

yet its illogical that logic explains out existance by a group of particles from nowhere exploding, creating the world as we know it, and gathering the necessary ingredients we need to survive. Its also illogical that we evolved from sea creatures, yet whales evolved from land mammals. Wouldn't that have been a degrade? Having legs and being able to transverse between land & water is better than 100% water habitation.

It's part luck and partially evolution, in my eyes. It is luck that we are on a planet that had perfect conditions for life, as we know it. But we are not talking about animals popping out of nowhere and gathering resources to survive. Evolution is a very slow process in which an organism changes to adapt to there environment better.

It seems that every creationist doesn't really understand the concept of evolution and if you can't understand it how can you call it false? If you understood you would see that evolution and creationism can work side by side, to a point. There should be no debate on whether or not evolution exists, we have seen it in the finches of the Galapagos Islands. The debate is whether or not there is actually an omnipresence that created us.

As far as God goes, there have been tons of Gods, some with rather similar stories, created by man so who is to say those Gods are false and only their God is a reality.

How could you not believe in a higher power.Do you think that something as ordered and as beautiful as mathematics could have been created by random chance?So maybe the "higher Power" is not something like what is found in any of the holy books,but an almagamation of everyting found in all holy books.In other words,you gotta seperate the wheat from the chaff.All of the holy books that I know of talk about creation,even the ones predating christianity,likeSumerian,jewish,egyptian,ect.If there is no higher power,the creation "mythos" is the longest lasting,most enduring myth out there.Basically,it has existed from the dawn of recorded history,until present day,and its still going strong.Maybe the "higher Power is not even a god as we understand a god to be.Maybe it is a genetically,technologically advanced entity who seeded the universe with their genetic material,in order to ensure that there was some company for Itself in the future.Any account of anything written by mankind has to be taken with a grain of salt,as we are only human,and o so fallible.But to make a blanket statement that you dont believe in a higher power,and to not give any reasons except antireligious ones,shows severe closemindedness.

i dont disrespect what ever you belive in . but its called evolution. its True. why would evry sigle sietist lie ? sorry for my english.

It's part luck and partially evolution, in my eyes. It is luck that we are on a planet that had perfect conditions for life, as we know it. But we are not talking about animals popping out of nowhere and gathering resources to survive. Evolution is a very slow process in which an organism changes to adapt to there environment better.

It seems that every creationist doesn't really understand the concept of evolution and if you can't understand it how can you call it false? If you understood you would see that evolution and creationism can work side by side, to a point. There should be no debate on whether or not evolution exists, we have seen it in the finches of the Galapagos Islands. The debate is whether or not there is actually an omnipresence that created us.

As far as God goes, there have been tons of Gods, some with rather similar stories, created by man so who is to say those Gods are false and only their God is a reality.

i belive in evolution. and i think that " Gods" are just folk miths from the begging of the man ape . but . thats relly just my opinon.

Evolution is true , or why have we found proof if man apes . dinasours and all that ,
there is no god , and he have no plan

I tried to say it before but no one probably understood, Gods are created through personal expierience.
Relevance can only mean something to ourselves.

But if god created the world where did he come from? Was he here for an eternity and just got lonely? Another thing, according to the bible, he spoke to people all the time. Now if you ask me the world in the time of the bible was a horrible place to live but nowhere near as wicked as the world we are in today. Why would he not let his presence be known? That is all it would take to turn the world around. Sure there would be alot of people that denied him even then, but a majority of people would turn to him and live the life. It just seems sadistic for him to sit back and watch the chaos, which he knew was going to happen, when all has to do is snap his fingers to rectify it.

God exists because he does. He's always existed. There is no time for him. And when we die there will be no time for us. We are just humans, we can't understand the art of living in without "time".

He does talk. In more ways than one. Like dreams, and motivations. Some people don't listen, some people do what God says, but no one will listen. And yet, some people do what God says, and results happen from that.

I can give you one example, but I really don't need flaming on any of my family members any more.

God exists because he does. He's always existed. There is no time for him. And when we die there will be no time for us. We are just humans, we can't understand the art of living in without "time".

He does talk. In more ways than one. Like dreams, and motivations. Some people don't listen, some people do what God says, but no one will listen. And yet, some people do what God says, and results happen from that.

I can give you one example, but I really don't need flaming on any of my family members any more.
Recounting personal expierience does not equate truth.

Its better than saying the Earth was made by a big explosion. That doesn't even make since.
Or that saying man evolved from ape when all the "missing links" have never been filled.
There are more missing links that FF games...

The big bang theory is just about as far fetched as god creating the universe in a week. I mean at least it has some kind of scientific theory about it. The god of the bible was made up as an explaination to our existance by people that didn't have the scientific knowledge we have today.

Its better than saying the Earth was made by a big explosion. That doesn't even make since.
Or that saying man evolved from ape when all the "missing links" have never been filled.
There are more missing links that FF games...

This is exactly what I was pointing at in my last post...Earth was not just made in a big explosion, it is more in depth than that.

Their absence makes them missing links...Your talking about finding a full skeleton of a creature that has been extinct for thousands of years.


As far as hearing and seeing God in dreams or even a near death experience. Your dreams consist of thoughts or ideas that are on your mind. You have a pre-notion of how a near death experience should go or of God.