Lets think of it this way.


Gods were created for the unscientifics of the past to have something to believe in, an explanation for everything that happened. The people needed something to believe in and as science grew, the faith became less important. There's both scientific and historic explanations as to why there aren't god(s) [yes, this is just that in brief]

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Stop trying to talk to me I don't care about you! Quit fallowing me around!
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~Pamela
~Tap owns Joo


I have posted my beliefs many times in the past.I DO believe in a higher power,however,I also believe in being both informed as well as openminded.

I think each person has a responsibility to educate themselves.Ask questions,learn,form their own opinions,and not blindly follow the "herd"
It doesn't matter if you listen to a priest from the pulpit,or a guru from India.
What DOES matter is that you make up your OWN mind,and do not put your faith in what someone else believes,unless you can back it up with results.

I have seen both noble and evil people,and I look to the heart not surface of someone.I tend to judge by actions,not rumors.
Prove what you believe,and believe what you prove.

Prove what you believe,and believe what you prove.

We can all believe nothing then.

To all people who try to turn the argument of there not being a god around on the people saying there isn't, the burden of proof relies on the one trying to prove something. I don't want to prove it, I just don't want to dwell on 2000 year old books. So don't say that either. Look to the future not to the "heavens" so to speak.

My point was just that.We CAN believe in nothing,or we can do as you suggest and look to the future.Have faith in oneself first,before laying all your hopes and dreams into things that aren't tangible. We can MAKE hopes and dreams reality,we just have to try.

Have faith in oneself first,before laying all your hopes and dreams into things that aren't tangible.

I did that, laid all my hopes and dreams in the unknown and it got me in a boat load of trouble, Pamela, you said it perfectly. You have to believe in yourself or others before you can even THINK about looking somewhere else.

You know, this thread could have been a simple yes or no... eh wth, YAY GOD!

Lets think of it this way.


Gods were created for the unscientifics of the past to have something to believe in, an explanation for everything that happened. The people needed something to believe in and as science grew, the faith became less important. There's both scientific and historic explanations as to why there aren't god(s) [yes, this is just that in brief]

As science grew? What have they proven. They say "Ok well the big bang did this" fantastic! where did the big bang come from? "Well it came from xxxx" ok nice nice i agree that makes sense ... but how about that? where did it come from? "well haha well uh yeah uhh OH i know that came from XXXX" NICE! And that? "Yeah i don't know"

NO scientist / philosopher / physicist / chemist i dont care WHO! NO one has an answer for this question.

Everything points to a higher power in which is not limited by time and space. Science isn't as fool-proof as you think it is.

I am the higher power. I am god in my own eyes. I am evalution!

I am evalution!

I knew there was some truth in that Idiocracy movie...

Faith in your partner, your fellow men, your friends, is very important, because without it there's no mutual component to your relationship, and relationships are important. So faith plays an important role, but faith in people you don't know, faith in religious or political leaders or even people on stages, people who are popular in the public eye, you shouldn't have faith in those people. You should listen to what they have to say and use it.
– Greg Graffin
That is all I have to say on the matter. The man speaks truth.

True but like he said earlier. the words Faith and Trust are twined together so they pretty much mean the same thing. so let me ask you. what do u mean when you say you have faith in your friends?? and dont say it means u trust them and believe they can do anything cause they they can do anything part is also another word called support. so maybe we need a definition of the word faith.


And also its not a bad thing to be agnostic,christian,jewish,buddhist, whatever as long as you dont go parading down the street screaming I'm Agnostic or try to force other people to make them switch religion. as long as u believe in it and dont force others then it doesnt matter if theres a god, higher power, or a bigass bumble bee who is in control

Faith:
To believe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief) without reason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason):
Believing impulsively, or believing based upon social traditions or personal hopes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope). In either case, faith is based upon the interpretation of the intangible (feelings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feeling), emotions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion), etc.) instead of the physically tangible and is primarily associated with religion in modern times.

Trust:
: assured reliance on the character, ability, strength, or truth of someone or something b: one in which confidence is placed

If I told you I had faith in a friend and you asked me what I meant I would say that I trust them. I believe in that person to do or be who I know them to be...for instance, I have faith that my best friend will always be there for me..or I trust my best friend to always be there when I need her...because she has shown me that she will be.

I guess when you look at the two definitions then thats not a good term to use...maybe faith and trust should not be entwined together as I stated earlier...unless the use of the term faith is being used as my 'personal hope' I hope that because she has always been there that she will always been there, therefore I have faith that she will be.

Lol, I think I should have looked up all the definitions before I made the comment I did earlier.

One God.... and please don't preach evolution like it is fact, it is a belief system just like the others, and it too is full of holes.

Interesting topic and I am happy to see it not get out of hand.

No proof, no belief. Frankly I don't care how the universe came to be, I care about right now and looking to the future. I don't get why everyone has to have a "reason" that humans walk the earth.


" no proof , no belief" i Agree totaly . True words from a .. man?.. :D

well Fu**the higher power and , if " it " exists , what he is gona make us worship him? that dont sound right to me ..

If your a believer in god and all that look in google for "Zietgiest" it a free movie and it explain why people think there is a god. Enjoy

I'm too lazy to read this thread so I'll just put in my 2 cents. It may seem off topic but oh well. I believe that there is a higher power cause it is all to convenient to just have happened by chance. Intelligent design does seem a viable explanation as to our existence. But to believe that it happened the way the bible said is just plain foolishness. A good deal of the bible is based on the fact that we have free will right? If god knows before we are born the path we will walk do we really have free will? It seems to me that we live a predetermined path with the illusion of free will if this is true. But if you say that its not true, then how could you in turn say that the book of revelations is true. If we have true free will , actions independent of gods control, then how could he predict the world will succumb to chaos exactly as he predicts it. And even if revelations is true, doesn't it seem cruel and sadistic to put us here just to suffer knowing well it would happen?

We're our own gods. To qoute one of the biggest crazies of all time.

To the movie "NO CHIP FOR ME"

To say that we are our own gods isn't exactly a bad analogy. We are the masters of our own destinies. Ultimately what you become is up to you and what controls you is determined in the same manner. Every choice you make affects you in one way or another. Leaving your house 30 seconds later than you originally anticipated could be your demise. The only thing you have to do is live and die, everything in between is just choices. So that wouldnt really be an inaccurate statement.

Exactly, Thus why i view people who beleive in the christian god as weak, They take choices on guidance from something other than themselves.

I'm gonna paraphrase a videogame on this one... Dracula says (can you guess the game? I hope you can) that with faith you lose a certain amount of freedom. There you go, I never put to much faith in anything. Good enough done.