age/usefulness limit...ok what i mean here is, when someone who is so old that they no longer have any use in the world but to sit and do nothing i.e. old retired people over the age of like 75. and don't contribute to society in ANY way other then ***** and moan should well... "be taken care of", if you understand what I'm trying to get across. think about it; the earths population is over 6 billion and i don't know about you but thats a big number...6,000,000,000+ = people in the world today. all I'm saying is when someone doesn't do anything for anyone any more their mooching off of society and everyone else. (in America at least).

know i know theres social security for those people but that money comes from somewhere, doesn't it??? now i know that the average life span of today is higher then its ever been because of modern medicine and the like, but when people live to be 120 thats a little too old. now i know not every one lives to be 120, but thats still possible. and yes i know one day I'll get that old and be beyond my usefulness and be a possible burden on society but that day isn't here yet and probably wont be here for a long time (i hope).

now don't start *****ing at me "HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT?!!?! YOUR SO CRUEL!!!" i don't care my heart to others is as cold as a metal pole in December. I'm not telling you not to yell and argue (though yelling on the net in text is imposable, just type in all caps) i want to hear what people have to say on this topic and i want nothing but your true opinions. just type what ever comes to mind.

That's actually the dumbest thing that I have heard/read for a while, besides Youngimmortal.

Even though these people may not be serving a large role in the society once they are that old, You're forgetting the fact that they were once a taxpayer, which You shall be as well. For example, they paid tax to maintain schools to give Your punk *** education. They also pay a tax which goes to their pension fund, so that when they are old, the state can give them back the money that they once paid.

I mean, why don't we do away with You instead? All that You do at the moment is waste the money of Your parents and taxpayers.

I'm not saying that You're cruel, but just plain out stupid.

6 Billion is not such a large number my friend, the Earth is estimated to be able to hold about 50 Billion and it's further hypothesized that at about 22 Billion we should level out are reproduction rate. As it is check out some old reports and compare the amount of births say in the 1930's to the number of births in the 1990's. I believe the ratio is something like 14:8 which is due to the fact that we have better living conditions now and it is not neccessary to our survival to mass produce offspring since, well, we just dont up and die from medical conditions like we used too.

These so called "drains" on society are not really in fact "drains" since they did at one time contribute. Actual "drains" on society are the people between the ages of 20 to 55 or so that do not work and live off of others any way they can. Those are the "moochers". I am not speaking of mentaly disabled or any other truely disabled person(s) here.

yeah this is a stupid idea for the reasons listed above...not to mention that it is extremely morally unacceptable...first its the old, next are you going to want to go after the jews again? maybe we should kill off all canadians next?

*Drops nuke on canada*

I completely support the nuking of Canada and France. We could call it population control if you like. Not really so much Canada because of Canadians...it's the French-Canadians.

I guess I can understand your point. Theres a time when all things become useless. While I don't think we should kill them for poulation control, we definetely shouldn't let old people drive. I don't think we should let 16 year old kids drive either though, theyre too stupid and reckless and don't pay attention to anything on the road. Just like old people, but old people drive slower.

I agree with everyone else, in that you're stupid.

Social Security... do you know where that comes from? You pay for it with every single paycheck you earn. After 30 or so years of working, it in theory pays for itself. In reality it doesnt' work, jsut like communism.... but it was a good idea.

For the record... if you didn't know where social security comes from, that means you don't pay taxes. Which also means you don't have a job. Either A: all you do is sit around and do nothing all day, which makes you useless... or B: your parents buy you everything, which also makes you useless.

Personally, I'd rather have the old people.

OK, thanks for your honest opinions. now in response to the first post, i know that at one time they paid taxes like i will when i reach that stage in life; I'm not saying I'm going to stay young forever and not be an ungrateful old man...i know my time will come where i will be old and as i put it "be taken care of" if we really did do things like that. And we could very easily do away with me...seeing as I'm an teenager and can not as of yet OWN a home and the like. not to say i cant pay taxes, but I'm currently unemployed and focused on school, though i do hope to be getting a job when spring rolls around.

#2. granted that earth might BEABLE to hold 50 billion, thats not to say it will last long at that massive number of people, and to say that that number of people will not stop growing at that number either. all i meant was 6 billion in comparison to everyday numbers is a large number that we don't deal with on a day to day basis. and also with 50 billion people think of all the food the will need to be grown and produced...i have nothing to say (that i can think of as an argument) for the birth ratio you provided because i don't know the ratios myself and will except them as close or true to the real numbers. i also agree that the "drains" (as you put it) are those that could be working and choose not to; as compared to those who cant help but not work (they worked in a special field and were fired and don't know any other trade, but are still trying to get a job and just are not qualified or have to care for there kids i.e. single moms with infants and the like). i consider the mentally disabled in a field of there own. they cant help the way they are and constantly need others to care for them. i DON'T feel that those people should be "taken care of" just because of there handicap but there still in the same boat at an old age. the physically disabled are a different story aswell. some can work but i know some have like full body paralysis and cant walk or move and are almost completely immobile i feel that they are at probably the greatest disadvantage when it comes to leaning on someone else for help because they need it to live from day to day (in some cases (not all)).

#3 first off the idea may be "stupid" to some, but, it will "help" with world population when i becomes a problem (as Mr. fabulous says at 50 billion when we reach earths estimated limit). now, you say its "morally unacceptable" granted its probably not going to EVEN be concerded by 90+% of people, (they would rather find a way to teriform mars or the moon first) but it is effective. by following this, earths population drops dramatically in just a few years and stabilizes (granted the birth rate is steady). (now to clarify what i mean, i don't mean every one over the age of XX is shot with a gun or something violent like that, but find a (if i may use the word) "humane" way for this). now you go off and say "next are you going to want to go after the Jews again? maybe we should kill off all Canadians next?" first i never went after Jews (or any specific race or ethnic group) or said that "we should kill off all Canadians next" or even mention any specific country but America did I? your making accusations that were not even mentioned in this, or are even relevant to the topic.

again, i thank you for your honest opinions and respect where you stand in the matter.

I still say we nuke France.

cuba also sounds good

and also were living easier than the older folks lived back in their day they probably had more troubles than us. if its anyone thats mooching its actually kids today

i'd say that this question comes down to if you believe the elimination of "useless" people to be......necessary

would it be necessary to do away with:
mentally handicapped people
the insane
the old
the stupid(hmm...actually we need them for fast food)
the lazy

do you want an efficient world where you are "taken care of" when your usefulness has ended or do you want an inefficient world where the useful have to take care of the unuseful?

A good point about us not having enough supplies. Oddly enough if we turned to some of the more conventional means of farming we'd be about 20x better off then we are now and could support quite a few more people then we currently can.

But! If we our all looking and waiting for the useless to dissappear then were actually going to be even more screwed. Why? 'cause as it has been pointed out the population keeps growing, in about 20 years will be up to about 12 billion and in about 30 will be up to 16 or 18 billion. By then it will be time for war if we have not come up with alternate means of keeping our selves alive...In other words "We need more minerals"
Guess what we get war. Who goes to war? The young. Who get's left behind? The old. I don't know why I felt like pointing this all out, but I just found it funny.

A good point about us not having enough supplies. Oddly enough if we turned to some of the more conventional means of farming we'd be about 20x better off then we are now and could support quite a few more people then we currently can.

Food is not the problem. We produce enough food to feed the entire earth's population, the problem is getting it to the people that need it, and stop us "rich people" wasteing it.

this has got to be the most ignorant and not to mention USELESS rant i've ever heard in my life. those people work hard their entire lives to earn the right to one day retire and do what they want. so you just wanna kill em off? thats completely ****ed up i don't care what you want to hear. my grandparents are both retired and they are the greatest people in my life. my grandfather still goes to work every now and then just because he enjoys what he did and my grandmother stays at home and watches her 65 inch HDTV that she paid for after 50 something years of working her *** off. do you want to kill my grandparents off? because if i caught anyone trying to "take care" of my grandparents i'd slice their ****ing heads off. they've contributed more in their lives then you probably ever will just because of this insane idea that you concocted in that peanut in your head you call a brain.


is that a good enough response for you?

and i'll be damned if some little peckerhead like you ruin retirement for MY generation. you know what when i retire i'm gonna move in right next to your house and bug the **** out of you until i die. i might just "waste" my retirement money on the most expensive car i can find, park it in my driveway, and sit in it all day while you watch and never even drive it just sit there. and i'll make sure it has a full tank of gas that never gets used and change the oil every 3 months while your at home watching.

liddo, that sort of barbaric thinking is exactly what caused the murders of 5 million innocent people from 1939-1945. I think it's disgusting that something like that could ever have entered your mind, worse that you had the nerve to even try and discuss it.

He's pure evil....lol. yes... Feed on the evil.... Come, join me on the darkside...!

This is a serious topic people, quit BSing, I won't be giving out any more warnings, I'll be giving out 2 day vacations.

liddo, that sort of barbaric thinking is exactly what caused the murders of 5 million innocent people from 1939-1945. I think it's disgusting that something like that could ever have entered your mind, worse that you had the nerve to even try and discuss it.

Kind of digressing, but it was much more than 5 million civilian casualties.

Maybe we could just take all the people who make useless posts and "take care" of them? That would decrease the population a bit right? *Cough*Silent*Cough*

Seriously though, who would determine who is useful and who isn't? Who would say, "Anyone over 70 is useless." Also, if say the US started doing this the rest of the world would be up our asses twice as deep as they already are.

I still vote we nuke France though.