What are your thoughts on Creationism, Evolution etc.

Theory of evolution explains our observations better than creationism without introducing additional complex entities we cannot define to the theory. We can make predictions to use as a basis for future research and the theory is falsifiable. Therefore theory of evolution wins hands down in the scientific field.

Evolution is in itself a fact. Species reproduce and pass on their genes. The reproductive mechanism introduces change to the gene pool. The individuals that are most adapted to the environment are the ones most likely to reproduce therefore their genes are the ones becoming dominant in the population. Over time these changes accumulate and there is no known mechanism that would prevent accumulated minor changes becoming major changes (ie. "macroevolution").

I beleive in the fact of evolution happening, but i don't beleive that it is a complete theory, nor that it fully explains the origins of life and all adaptation.

is it anything like creationism?

yep, thats what I meant, sorry bout that spelling mistake

i believe that evolution of all life is a fact and that it all occured without any guidance from a divine being. however, though i am an atheist, i am open to theories of creation of the beginning of the universe. i believe that to classify anything not yet researched enough as evidence of a godly touch is to be incredibly naive

I believe there was never any 'beginning' to the universe, that it has always been there and will always be there. Christians, is it so hard to believe? Every Christian I've ever asked about the origins of their God say "Well he was always there"... Well, if God was always there, why can't the universe have always been in existance?

Anyways, the Earth had a HUGE amount of time... Billions of years to develop life, elements combining and breaking and forming new compounds. It really isn't difficult for me to believe that life evolved over time.

Actually, the current theory of evolution does not say that the universe was "always there." It states that all mass currently in our universe existed as a small, extremely dense (an understatement) ball of matter. The chemical and physical bonds couldn't hold all the mass together so it exploded--not as simple as the Big Bang Theory.

Christians have good reasons for not believing in evolution. For something to evolve into something as complex as a human would require an undescribable amount of luck. They doubt that humans were LUCKILY chosen out of an awesome gene permutation soup.

In addition, there are a lot of flaws in the evolution theory. The debate among scientists over the candlabra theory or independent evolution only discourages others from "converting."

In truth, no theory is perfect. A theory is not a fact or a source of facts. It is an EXPLANATION that helps generalize.

I am a partisan of evolution.

I haven't fully committed myself either way. But they can't teach creationism in schools, so allow people to teach evolutionism. If you don't believe it, then don't but open your mind.

I never said that it didn't exist once as the extremely dense ball of matter, I just simply stated I didn't believe it was never initially created.

i only use creation loosely. like sarcasm, i too believe that at some point the universe was a superdense mass that exploded. but it could just have easily become that mass with a Big Crush. the "beginning" is only applied because all traces of before would have been erased in that crush

I haven't fully committed myself either way. But they can't teach creationism in schools, so allow people to teach evolutionism. If you don't believe it, then don't but open your mind.

Yes, they ARE allowed to teach creationism in schools. Teachers are told to present the two view and attempt to remain impartial.

Y does it keep double posting.... grrrrrr

Ok this is going to sound weird but I believe in both evolution and creationism.
Wait just listen I do have a point.

1. The Bible has been translated way too many times, and each time that it has been translated meaning has been lost.

2. When the Bible was written, there were no words to describe large lengths of time, like millions of years. Those numbers had not been conceived at that time.

3. At what point in our history did the primate version of man become homo-habilis (I think that is the correct term)? What I mean is, when did we learn to control our animal instincts, communicate, and above all else think. If you look at our personal history the gap from primates to early man is a gap equivilent to the Grand Canyon.


My personal thoughts. We cannot have a complete understanding of creationism since most of the Bible has been lost over time. (today we have about 1/4 of the original Bible) But, I believe what is written in Genesis is correct you just have to be open minded on interpetation, ie. The six days written in there could really mean 600 million years, how do you really describe a day. As for mankind itself there are too many differences between the early homo-habilis man and the most evolved primate. I believe at some point that God did come in and created the earliest man from these primates. (rapid evolution, skipping all the intermediary stages) Which does explain a missing link. And from that we slowly evolved into the modern day humans we are now. And on a side note, men do have 2 less ribs than women.

You just have to remember to be open minded in a subject like this. And when reading the Bible, you have to interpret the meaning for yourself. Quoting Genesis Ch1 verse 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Could that be a way of explaining what the big bang was? I dont know maybe. But as I said before you have to find the meaning to all of lifes questions for yourself.

i may have misinterpreted but what you say sounds to me like straight creationism.
from what i understand, evolution is based entirely on chance while creationism ackowledges that god had a hand in shaping and nudging that process along.
so if you say that god created this and god created that then you cant say that you believe in evolution because as you have said, that gap in human evolution is mysterious but you fill it in with god

first off, im an atheist. I believe in evolution because it has much more evidence behind it. As in the case of believing in a God, it requires faith to follow something so blindly. I once asked a friend who is catholic but does science as a university subject what she believed and she said she didnt know purely because science and religion conflict with each other so much

Theory of evolution explains our observations better than creationism without introducing additional complex entities we cannot define to the theory. We can make predictions to use as a basis for future research and the theory is falsifiable. Therefore theory of evolution wins hands down in the scientific field.

Evolution is in itself a fact. Species reproduce and pass on their genes. The reproductive mechanism introduces change to the gene pool. The individuals that are most adapted to the environment are the ones most likely to reproduce therefore their genes are the ones becoming dominant in the population. Over time these changes accumulate and there is no known mechanism that would prevent accumulated minor changes becoming major changes (ie. "macroevolution").

I beleive in the fact of evolution happening, but i don't beleive that it is a complete theory, nor that it fully explains the origins of life and all adaptation.

Well, agreed hands down. Don't know a better way to put it.

']Every Christian I've ever asked about the origins of their God say "Well he was always there"... Well, if God was always there, why can't the universe have always been in existance?

Christians don't argue about or focus the beginning of the universe. It's the beginning of Earth thats the focus of attention. I read a fact somewhere (yes a fact, proven by scientific research) that the chances of us developing from a single celled amoeba is one in a billion billion million (a real big number anyway!).

And besides, man believed that the earth was flat for hundreds of years....they could be wrong about evolutional facts.

I'm a christian myself and I have faith in creationalism, but I love hearing the theories of evolution. Its a very curious subject, and God gave us the choice to believe what we want to believe. Sorry if I anger anyone, but its just my ideas and beliefs. :D

right now no one is offending each other. this is the first talk about evolution ive been in that hasnt led to a flame war. Good show everyone! Lets see if we can keep it that way. And i thank people for reading my post and interpeting it. Maybe i am straight creationist? I will just have to re-examine myself to find out for sure

Although I believe in the theory of evolution, creationism (not creationalism) should not be forgotten. While evolution should be taught in science class, creationism should be taught in History class. This is because part of man's history can be found in religion. Therefore you will know exactly **** about our history without learning about religion.

Christians don't argue about or focus the beginning of the universe. It's the beginning of Earth thats the focus of attention. I read a fact somewhere (yes a fact, proven by scientific research) that the chances of us developing from a single celled amoeba is one in a billion billion million (a real big number anyway!).

And besides, man believed that the earth was flat for hundreds of years....they could be wrong about evolutional facts.

I'm a christian myself and I have faith in creationalism, but I love hearing the theories of evolution. Its a very curious subject, and God gave us the choice to believe what we want to believe. Sorry if I anger anyone, but its just my ideas and beliefs. :D
gee. haven't seen you in a while
anyway. you mention that the chances of single celled amoebas developing into us is a big number. but you have to also remember that at the time that this is taking place, the earth was a violent and rapidly changing environment. is it that hard to believe that through this crucible, cells may have evolved the ability to work in colonies that develop over time into whole organisms?
about your digression into the shape of the world. yes, people did believe that the world was flat until evidence came along to persuade them of the truth
the key word here is evidence. creationism is filling in gaps of evolution with the presence of god because there is a lack of evidence to suggest anything else filled that gap. that is why most of the scientific community rejects creationism. it has no evidence

And on a side note, men do have 2 less ribs than women.

Bullshit. Men do not have less ribs than women; they have equal numbers of ribs.

Ok first of all I'd like to start by saying that I am Catholic.

Secondly, I'd like to say that I do not believe in creationalism. One bit. I mean, come on, seriously, when your riding on faith your riding on something inside your head, a fiction of your imagination. Evolution has a LOT of evidence behind it, and I think that the chances, over BILLIONS of years, that something as complex as a human to be made, is pretty high. But creationalism, it makes no sense to me whatsoever. I don't know if I'm just not smart in this matter or what, but still, to think that a higher power that noone has ever seen, heard, smelled, tasted, or touched, and has multiple aliases, swooped down and out of some substance cooked or molded or whatever, just plain created us, is just plain messed up. And again, look at the evidence, our earlier forms looked a lot like monkeys, and our other features line up a good bit too. And also my stance on The Bible is that it is pure fictitious, a fake story, created by people to entertain, not to fanatacize.

But that's just me.